How long have you been climbing?I’m not saying anyone is advocating for less safety!
This conversation all started when someone started talking about being fast and racing with other climbers and that kind of language can get people killed if they misinterpret it.
I’m not talking about myself on here.
I’m talking about climbers in general. Especially new climbers who may be on here. Fast is not always better. Fast while efficient is king.
To the extra gear issue. I’ve done tons of jobs where I’ve used one rope. It wasn’t until more recently in my climbing career that the thought occurred to me to try experimenting. And then a thought went off, in these bigger trees what if when I ascend to set my main TIP I quickly set another line in another leader to work a different side of the tree? Even if I could easily do it with 1 rope, why not hop on 1 system and off the other, or use both keep that comfortable position, etc.?
It’s nothing to do with being necessary just personal choice. The same jobs I’ve climbed with two lines on are the same jobs I’ve done many times over with one rope in the past. Nothing to do with experience, just changing technique.
And I don’t usually climb srt, I climb ddrt. Personal choice. So if I’m using two lines I’m usually using two ddrt lines. Not doing redirects with one line, etc.
And I thought I said that it depends on the situation. I’m not saying you need to go every tree with extra gear. Everyone can use whatever tactic they want.
I will state I never question somrone's prowess in the trees on the internet. Unless they post some nauseating vid showing otherwise. I was doing my usual chiming in nonsense. Had little bearing on actual life.
I remember several "aha moments" myself. One was learning to limbwalk while still in college. The other was working full-time doing utility trimming/removals in a rural area of the Midwest. The folks I worked with were salt of the earth types...my college education was something they picked on me for. I had a fancy harness, custom made lanyards, fiberglass gecko spurs, a helmet with a chin strap, jangly things that made me a cat's wet dream. They had blake's and tautline hitchs with a single rope snap, a three strand buck strap with a built in spliced prusik and some heavy steel buckingham spurs. They used to call me the educated idiot from Chicago... I'm cool with that, I got thick skin. They used to say I made the easy stuff look hard and the hard stuff look easy. When I first started there I was using gadgets all the time, but these guys were getting the same work done with none of that. So I watched as we worked. My aha moment was the KISS principle. Keep it simple stupid. I didn't need all that fancy stuff for 90% of what we were doing. But when it came time for that other 10%, these guys always looked at me to get it done because my gadgets (and knowledge of how to use them) were going to make short work of it with a third the effort they would have used. To put it in easy to understand terms... I almost watched a dude die by gaffing out because his buckstrap was too short to get around a tree for ascent so he went up without it on. I would have throwlined in and gone srs straight to the top.The biggest "aha!" moment in my career was realizing that there is a secret to being fast. That secret is to just get out there and cut it.
Not here to judge. That is not my style. Was just curious. I just do me....I mostly come here to assist in topics like climbing gear setups. Things about gear etc.Roughly 5-6 years, around there.
Ready for everyone to start screaming newbie, inexperienced, slow....
Carry on. My style and opinions might be a little different then some but, I’ve never approached climbing as how to get it done as fast as possible. I’m not on a big crew trying to bang out multiple jobs a day ya know? I might just do one job a day, finish sometime in the morning or early afternoon (occasionally I have all day jobs or large jobs that run multiple days) and then be done and work on other things I need to do outside of jobs themselves.
On that note, how are you digging your Evo bruv? I had a chance to ride one for 2 days...Beautiful saddle, and if I wasn't so in love with my S.light I would have bought one straight away...Not here to judge. That is not my style. Was just curious. I just do me....I mostly come here to assist in topics like climbing gear setups. Things about gear etc.
Love.......love the damn thing. Have a year and a half on it. Lower Ds and two bridges really are nice. Creates new work positioning options that I could have done with one bridge but more comfy. Game changer? Not really but a nice improvement. Jet step is insanely good. Never donned a CT since. Thanks.On that note, how are you digging your Evo bruv? I had a chance to ride one for 2 days...Beautiful saddle, and if I wasn't so in love with my S.light I would have bought one straight away...
This is my preferred method if pruning. 10 easy minutes on ground vs 20 strenuous min in tree.
Otherwise loop slings and walk up, but it's slow.
If there are any side branches or stubs, I'll just "rock climb" moving my lanyard up to prevent a slip and swing.
If I have a high enough main TIP relative to the target crotch on the vertical limb of interest, I can also use a throwbag and get groundie to pull tail through desired crotch on target limb. Groundie will take up slack and wrap tail around tree. I will just traverse the taught line over to somewhere at/below the target crotch and then climb from there. BE CAREFUL with the forces though! A 170 degree rope angle at the point where your hitch attaches generates 6X your body weight at each of the 2 TIP locations. I am very mindful of the limb behavior and watch it closely. It's basically a human speedline.
You can also bear hug and shimmie up. Actually not too bad with smaller diameters and chainsaw pants, but you might eventually destroy them.
Oh, and you can swing, but that generally only gets you so far depending on TIP height. Again, watch the forces here. I have no clue how much force this puts on main TIP.
Haha, funny you ask. Just watched a webinar last week where they tested this stuff. He summarizes the results near end od video.
What if there's no way to descend beneath it, unless you go all the way to the ground?I would just get almost level with the branch you're aiming to go out to. Tie monkey fist on your tail and throw it over and get it to come down a ways, then descend down underneath it and swing over to grab your tail. Then set up a second system (MRS) with your tail (if you don't have an extra prussik or system to use then just use a blakes hitch. Then by gauging the stability of the new tip trying to keep both systems balanced in weight. Drifting from one tie in point to the another is so much fun.
In terms of getting underneath it, what I meant was descend low enough to swing over and get underneath it enough to grab your tail.What if there's no way to descend beneath it, unless you go all the way to the ground?
What if there are intervening limbs below and between the stems that keep you from bringing your tail down with you?
To get the tail, once you've descended you'll have a better fulcrum to swing over and grab it. As for it not being isolated, there is that possibility and you can lanyard in and bypass those lower limbs with your Ddrt system to continue up.With respect to the first part, I mean if I toss my tail through a union on another stem, when it unrolls, the tail is hanging in free space and there's nothing beneath it, except the ground. And when I descend, I get no closer to it, or there's nothing lower to move horizontally on to grab it.
With the second part, I was imagining your suggestion as DdRT on the tail. As I descend, my tail going up through the union I threw into, can't maintain a clear path with without draping over some limb that's lower and between the stems. So when I get to the end of my tail to set up a DdRT system, I've got more than one limb trapped within the loop. In other words, I can't keep my tail isolated on one union and still reach my tail.