Might Lose a Job - because I will climb it.

skew said:
This is why I bought my first bucket truck. I didn't want one because I thought it would make me fat and lazy. People were convinced that you needed it to do stuff that I was perfectly comfortable climbing. Now after having a bucket for many years I can tell you it is one the better"fitness" enhancing tools that I own. That, and it's an average of six times faster than climbing. It leaves me in such better shape at the end of the day so I can go do some thing different that I enjoy-i.e. go for a run or a bike ride, etc...
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Wow, this is a great post! Six times faster is nothing to sneeze at. So if a job is do-able with a lift, and you own one, it makes sense to use it every time you can.

Your comment that it "improves your fitness" or words to that effect is a really interesting observation, and counter-intuitive. More energy to do workouts that more directly impact aerobic fitness or strength due to not having to climb, which can wipe a person out for the day.

Thanks for this post.

Tim
 
I'm honestly not even interested anymore with trying to present her the facts.

Picked up 3 jobs Friday evening and scheduled one for her slot. Booked out until May now.

It was just a good lesson that I didn't have all my bases covered.

I printed out some ISA and TCIA information about bucket vs. climbing and advanced climbing techniques for pruning without gaffs.

I put them in my estimate bag for those who have questions in the future.

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You were professional in your approach to this situation. Sometimes we forget that hanging 60' up a tree with a chainsaw hanging off our hip would be terrifying for the average person. She would have turned into a PITA client, watching every move you made.
 
Chin up and stand your ground.

We had a tailgate safety meeting with corporate contractor. They could not stop talking about tics. When it got to us and they found out we were climbing, they lead Guy's head about fell off bobbling all over the place. He actually asked us if we were going to use ropes. The guys under him looked down and away as they started laughing. I had to say, " yes we are going to be roped in". Some folks just can't wrap their simply head around it...till they see it.
 
I was trying to think of future analogies because they work sometimes:

It would be like trying to use a machete to do cataract surgery

Or

Using dynamite to catch a fish

Or

Using a bulldozer to dig a post hole


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I use a common analogy from a post I read about "customers wanting the work done for the value of the wood"

unless in is a burl I can sub out I say, "wood to me is as valuable as snow to an Eskimo".

They usually get it.


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This thread is rather shocking. I have never experienced nor heard of clients turning a crew away because they climb. I do believe what we do is becoming a lost art, but it should not be because of misunderstood risk. Hope I never encounter what you have discussed above.
 
@TreeBean, Hey, just wanted to ask why it is that you think what you do is becoming a lost art? Are you seeing a big decrease in the numbers of people willing to do tree climbing work? This might bode well for the wages of those that remain, if so.

I would love to hear you expand on your comment with any further thoughts you might have on the subject. Thanks in advance.

Tim
 
TreeBean said:
This thread is rather shocking. I have never experienced nor heard of clients turning a crew away because they climb. I do believe what we do is becoming a lost art, but it should not be because of misunderstood risk. Hope I never encounter what you have discussed above.
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Hey, TreeBean! I just noticed that you are back posting after a long time away. Welcome back to the TreeBuzz forum! I hope you stay around awhile; I'd love to hear more of what you have to say.

Tim
 
TreeBean said:
This thread is rather shocking. I have never experienced nor heard of clients turning a crew away because they climb. I do believe what we do is becoming a lost art, but it should not be because of misunderstood risk. Hope I never encounter what you have discussed above.
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We climbed for many years before owning a bucket truck.
More then once we were cold called requesting if we had a lift.
Folks would not even consider climbing as an option.
Now that we have had a bucket truck for a few years, it's fun to school folks on the fact climbing can be the only/more efficient option some times.

Gotta say we have done some big spruce removals in the last year where you could not drop the whole tree.
Much quicker to climb and shed the limbs with a 50cc saw that never gets shut off till the top flops. Then bucket the logs down.

Still can not imagine how "tree services" that only have a bucket and no climber function.

We are the only insured service in our area that offers climbing as an option. Needless to say, we do end up getting trees all the other guys turned down. We have even done trees deemed " impossible".
 
TimBr said:
Wow, this is a great post! Six times faster is nothing to sneeze at. So if a job is do-able with a lift, and you own one, it makes sense to use it every time you can.

Your comment that it "improves your fitness" or words to that effect is a really interesting observation, and counter-intuitive. More energy to do workouts that more directly impact aerobic fitness or strength due to not having to climb, which can wipe a person out for the day.

Thanks for this post.

Tim
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As a climber who swore they would never own a bucket truck...a bucket truck will end up being way more then six times faster then climbing in the long run. On the other hand... I can not help but shake my head at the guy who does not climb who buys a bucket, must be scary having no options when out of reach. I love hopping out of the bucket at 60' with my hand saw in my mouth and chain saw screaming One handed style.
 
therianclimber said:
You were professional in your approach to this situation. Sometimes we forget that hanging 60' up a tree with a chainsaw hanging off our hip would be terrifying for the average person. She would have turned into a PITA client, watching every move you made.
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Every branch you break... every move you make.. Every time you rake every tree you stake I'll be watching you.. Ohhhhhhh can't you seeeeeee? You're up in a treeeeee.. my pace maker acheeesss.. with every swiiiiing you make!


 
frashdog said:
As a climber who swore they would never own a bucket truck...a bucket truck will end up being way more then six times faster then climbing in the long run. On the other hand... I can not help but shake my head at the guy who does not climb who buys a bucket, must be scary having no options when out of reach. I love hopping out of the bucket at 60' with my hand saw in my mouth and chain saw screaming One handed style.
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That visual needs to be on a T-shirt. I'd wear that shit.
 
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