Lower back soar after a few hours in spikes

123Craig said:
Some great tips here. Dumb question; Are you clipped in to the side D's or the lower D's? - Using the lower D's instead of the side ones made a HUGE difference for me. My hips got squeezed on the side D's - when I switched to the lower ones - half of my body weight was supported by my upper thighs/buttocks instead of just my lower back (and it's sort of half sitting, half leaning into the saddle - much nicer than all leaning). Had to do the Liger Mod on the Rebellion Saddle to make it work. I'll eventually get TM too - this Mod means I don't have to spend my money for years yet though. This was a huge game changer for me - before I used to moan at my boss for being in the spikes - now I can stay there for most of the day. The only thing even nicer is hanging from your TIP.
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I was on the sides, never thought about using the rigging plates.
 
flyingsquirrel25 said:
Frank I noticed the cherry was gone and was wondering how you made out with it. If I remember it leaned slightly which could also cause some poor position, especially for someone newer to spikes (I don't know if that tree caused your problem).
It was also said already that if you aren't completely comfortable you body sometimes compensates to make you more comfortable.
I don't know about the degree of angle, but I find reaching your arms out you should be able to reach the middleish of the stem being climbed. Of course it depends on the size of the stem 4' vs. 4" but a general idea/rule.
I'll be out on Doug fir removals Saturday (weather permitting) if you wanted to come out and dig the hooks in.
If not the 13th should have some time to play around.
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Yep, Cherry is gone and I did the small pine yesterday along with the driveway stump. I might take you up on Saturday depending on weather.

Yesterday's pine was the issue because I made myself do the removal on spikes with a choked srt line I advanced as I went along. Wanted to try something new for me. I usually prefer to either set a high tip and just spike for positioning or use a pair of ddrt lines that I advance above as I go. Once again just really using spikes to hold position hile cutting (and the lanyard also of course). I could have avoided the back pain if I did my normal choice but how the heck do you learn anything that way.
 
spike positin on the tree at roughly 4:00 and 7:00 lanyard at the level of your hip bones(tops of them) or slightly above. Now straighten out your legs and lock your knees and rest back. I find if I reach out to touch the tree in my "resting" position my elbows will never be locked out and they will also never be greater than 90 degrees. Somewhere about 45 to 90. I rest my elbows on my flipline while rolling a smoke. So, go get some fine imported tobacco and rolling papers and do the test. If you can roll a cig with elbows on the flip line your in correct position. Ok, Ok. Just try the elbows at a 45, skip the smoke.
 
I got a chance today to climb with Mert and he echoed many of the suggestions from everyone else. Bottom line is that I was angled way to far back. He had me get more vertical and walked me through a spar chunking as he was in the adjacent spar dropping chunks of that one. It was grest to work with him and have somebody tweak my techniques as I was doing them. Thanks again Mert. And yes I was way slower the him, lol.
 
We all learn differently, some can read it and it sticks. I prefer read it, try it, practice practice practice. You did fine today, it's not a race, it's life. Like I said first thing, if we don't get done, we don't get done no big deal, there is always Monday.
You are welcome out anytime, I can't promise to have spar work every time, but should be climbing work at least.
I'm looking forward to the 13th, that's going to be a fun day!!
 
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