Lighter/thinner or heavier/thicker?

it might be kindda late now that engineerdude has left, but i have learned quite a bit from this site through not talking. "climber's talk" "crane use" "rigging and roping". this site is broken down to address many tasks of tree care.
i have been "monitoring" this site for months, and i have learned quite a bit... but nothing teaches more then watching people and asking questions to someone who is in the tree. "shadow" someone for a day, ask questions. video tape tree companies- find the compaines with insurance, they tend to more professional.
 
Well put Joe Logger. I'm backin Mister Master Blaster as well. You need to have someone doe this tree for you. Maybe you can assist them and learn enough to go forward the next time. Just to play devil's advocate- What if this engineer dude were to move forward based on advice gleaned from tree buzz and become seriously injured or worse?
I've encountered quite a few people like this over the years and the ones that I ended up helping conceded that the job would not have been possible by them.
So mr. engineer dude would you like your humble pie alamode?
I noticed lots of advice on gear selection but there is nothing I see here about the different peeling and breaking off of tops and properties of different wood types. Only many years of experience can accomplish this.
Don't let an oversized ego cause you to harm or kill yourself.
Just one man's opinion.


"be smarter than the sticks"
 
Looks like a line could be set in the poplar and then maple to lower from the ground with out climbing it. There is a video out "The Art and Science of Rigging", The Art part takes more timeand experience to learn.We are all increaseing the art daily.
 
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I have yet another anecdote......my wife and I have been married 4 years Sept. We dated for 5 years before that. So the family knew what skills I had. This summer her uncle decided he had to have a limb off of his Elm in the backyard. Instead of calling me for a very inexpensive (who charges family?) favour, he tackled the project himself. Needless to say he stopped by a couple of weeks ago with his arm in a sling with a broken collar bone. Silly unnecessary accident.
 
I dont know if engineerdude is still checking out the post but my previous offer stil stands. I am willing to help out!
 
I dont know, I say go for it. If you have faith in your fewr factor working and your common sense, then give it a shot. Just know when to back off.

as for gear, get the cheapest possible. 60$ harness will save your life as well as a 325$ harness, just not as comfortable.

I have been thinking about this a bit because I know I got started into tree work after a big late spring storm hit denver.

I went out with a rock climbing harness, a rock rope, some slings and a friend to belay me. I used a nasty old dull macullough.

My friend belayed me as I lead climbed the tree, setting slings periodically as I went. He lowered me down to the limbs that were busted off and I lit into them with the mac.

Not safe or approved but it was fun as hell and for a couple of 17 year olds, we made a ton of money. And I'm still here climbing trees.

I also look back to climbing trees as a kid 10 or 12. We would climb 60 feet up into easy climbing trees with no ropes, nothing. Super fun, and three points of contact is safe as long as your head is functioning. what is dangerous is if you by chance faint or get vertigo.

I saw a tree house the other day that was WAY up there. my first thought was, oh my god those kids arn't even tied in! thats not ANSI approved! but hell, they are kids, I was just like them, and sure one of them will probably fall, break an arm or get a cuncusion but thats part of growing up.

so I say, go do the tree. It sounds like your looking for resources on how. take your time, practice tying your knots climbing a crabapple and have the brains to pull out if you get up there and poop your pants. Macho is the killer.


Oh, someone said that dead ash is really brittle. Thats not my experience at all. I take down a lot up here in EAB zone. I think it is pretty strong. Dead suckers snag my throw line all the time and I wish it were brittle at those times. It is stronger and safer than dead oak in my experience. The hinge wood holds real nice. Very beautiful wood, and usually simple straight foward removals. I am glad we dont have an emerald silver maple borer at any rate.

good luck
 
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