Knots.

[JeffGu]

Right. We shall call it the Farmer's Circus Codfish.

 

[TreeLogic]

Maybe we should call it the "RescueBoy" since he's the authority.

 

[RescueMan]

It's a knot. The semantics of it are irrelevant.

Irrelevant, if you have no concern about clarity of communication.

Irrelevant, if you have no respect for the first discoverer of the knot (Cornell University professor Howard W. Riley published this knot in an agricultural extension pamphlet devoted to farming knots in 1912, and named it "Farmer's Loop").

Irrelevant, if you believe it's OK to call a Maple a Poplar.

 

[Matthew D Posey]

Does anyone have experience with the figure 9 loop knot? It's said to be easier to untie after heavy loading and have greater strength than the figure 8. Any thoughts?
Pic is figure 9 with a stopper knot

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[Windwalker]

I guess I'm not the only one who has short ropes lying around and always tying knots. Its funny how we take this skill for granted. I often hand my wife the rope and say tie me a butterfly, or a bowline on a bite, or a ..., she's getting hard to stump. We tie so many different knots and most we can do with our eyes closed. Its hard to imagine not being able to tie a knot. I recently did a job/favor for a friend who helped run some ropes. I use a sheet bend on the tail of my climbing line to attach a rigging line to haul up. I showed him this simple knot before I went up and he seemed to have gotten it. Well after about a half hour of clearing some smaller limbs it was time for the rigging line. After three attempts and loosing the rope, I said, "if you cant tie a knot, tie a lot". It was quite a mess but I got the rope. I have never seen the Farmers loop, I'll have to play with that one. On heavy pulls I've gotten away from a butterfly since they can get hard to untie, been using an 8 wrap prussic and like that better. I watch Richard's destruction videos and the butterfly always breaks at the same place, I wonder how a prussic would compare...

 

[southsoundtree]

I'd use a bowline or bowline on a bight rather than a figure 9, personally.

 

[Matthew D Posey]

I'd use a bowline or bowline on a bight rather than a figure 9, personally.

Same here, bowline on a bite is one of my favs. I had just never used or even seen the figure 9 before.

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[knudeNoggin]

Irrelevant, if you have no concern about clarity of communication.

Irrelevant, if you have no respect for the first discoverer of the knot (Cornell University professor Howard W. Riley published this knot in an agricultural extension pamphlet devoted to farming knots in 1912, and named it "Farmer's Loop").

I can't let "first discoverer" go by unremarked. How does one (ever) know who this is? (Then one can question how it matters.) And publishing isn't the same as discovering. (For an appallingly high degree, knots-book authors tend to copy prior books uncritically, especially for general-knots treatment; things get a little better with application-specific authors --they've usually been at the *sharp end* of cordage per that application--, but then there is often a lack of awareness of knotting beyond that application.

Who first discovered (and named?) this species "Alpine Butterfly knot"?

*kN*

 

[knudeNoggin]

Does anyone have experience with the figure 9 loop knot? It's said to be easier to untie after heavy loading and have greater strength than the figure 8. Any thoughts?

Has knot strength mattered much?

There is are a couple symmetric forms of the Fig.9 knot, and one of these makes a fine-looking knot --secure when slack, moderately easy to untie (and to tie in the bight!). I believe the caver(?) Dave Merchant seemed a fan of the fig.9 eye knot as you show it.

*kN*