Knots.

Lemonjello said:
Great for this without having to remove or feed the whole line thru the loop in the butterfly.
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The bowline is easier to tie around another rope than is a butterfly, and the process is identical, with the loop formed around the other rope (the fall line) as the knot is tied.

If either knot is tied midline, then the entire working end needs to drawn through the knot as its formed. Hence there is no advantage to using the butterfly in this application.
 
Exactly! I can tie every knot in this video + three version of the trucker's hitch, but none of the ways has me doing that!

These guys are pretty hilarious. If you haven't seen their 'intelevator' you're missing out. But this one hit home more than other stuff they've done.

Amos, I like knots a lot and I applaud your interest in learning more applications and including us all in your journey. There is some good stuff in this thread already! Sorry for the not so helpful video!
 
My kids found a nice Google "easter egg" recently. If you've an Android phone with google now/search - click on the mic button and ask "what does the fox say".
 
Most people tie the trucker's hitch incorrectly, with some kind of loop knot, such as overhand-on-a-bight or unidirectional figure-8-on-a-bight, as the intermediate "pulley".

If there's any knot in the system, then it's not a hitch, and it's not a fully-releasable (slippery) hitch unless it's also finished off with a slipped half hitch as in this picture:

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I also like to give the initial loop an extra twist or two to make it easier to undo, as in this picture:
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RescueMan said:
Most people tie the trucker's hitch incorrectly, with some kind of loop knot, such as overhand-on-a-bight or unidirectional figure-8-on-a-bight, as the intermediate "pulley".

If there's any knot in the system, then it's not a hitch, and it's not a fully-releasable (slippery) hitch unless it's also finished off with a slipped half hitch as in this picture:

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I also like to give the initial loop an extra twist or two to make it easier to undo, as in this picture:
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True, but I don't know if I would say they were all trying to tie a trucker's hitch. Sometimes I use an Alpine Butterfly or a circus bowline to create a loop for mechanical advantage...same application as the trucker's hitch, but I don't want it to be slippery. You know what I mean? So I agree that a lot of people tie the trucker's hitch incorrectly, but what I'm saying is there are people that tie something else entirely intentionally. Just splitting hairs. ;)
 
John_KAYS said:
Sometimes I use... a circus bowline to create a loop for mechanical advantage
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Circus bowline? Odd that the only Google hits for it are on arborist discussion forums.

If you mean a three-loop bowline, that's a bowline-with-a-bight (to differentiate it from the two-loop bowline-on-a-bight).

I would think that arborists would know it as the saddle bowline, as it was the original rope saddle for tree climbers.Bowline With a Bight (3 loop).webp
 
RescueMan said:
Circus bowline? Odd that the only Google hits for it are on arborist discussion forums.

If you mean a three-loop bowline, that's a bowline-with-a-bight (to differentiate it from the two-loop bowline-on-a-bight).

I would think that arborists would know it as the saddle bowline, as it was the original rope saddle for tree climbers.View attachment 29822
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Oh I think it is also called a farmers loop. Does that help?
 
John_KAYS said:
Oh I think it is also called a farmers loop. Does that help?
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OK, I found the farmer's loop. It appears to be a distant relative of the bowline family - perhaps a cross-breed between bowline and butterly. And it seems to be somewhat directional.

I was misled by the discussion on MasterBlaster which talked about a "3-ring-circus" due to its three loops.

If a directional midline loop is needed, the in-line-8-on-a-bight is more appropriate. The butterfly is better for a bi-directional midline loop. So I'm not seeing any particular advantage to this loop knot.

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I can't find it called circus bowline really anywhere... macswan introduced it as a circus bowline in another thread, so I have called it the circus bowline because it's more fun.

I find it easier to untie than the butterfly or the 8 after a heavy load.
 
John_KAYS said:
Oh I think it is also called a farmers loop. Does that help?
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That's what I've always called it. I think over time they get a common name like trees in a certain areas ..common names , scientific names get misconstrued from one area or group to another. Like a game of telephone. ;)
 
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Where is the list of scientific names for knots? I'd like to learn those so we don't keep confusing and mixing up what knot we're talking about. ;) Some knots have too many common names!

Okay, so it is in the Knot Kingdom... Genus Loopus and I suppose the specific epithet would be farmerifera. Loopus farmerifera does that make sense?
 
I learned it from Chisholm as a circus bowline. I think it came from norm hall or something. I use that knot all the time it is great. I've pulled logs with trucks on it and it comes right out. No issue. Never use a butterfly anymore
 
macswan said:
Never use a butterfly anymore
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Same here, love that circus easier on the hand , always my choice for canopy anchor with quick link as well.
John_KAYS said:
Where is the list of scientific names for knots? I'd like to learn those so we don't keep confusing and mixing up what knot we're talking about. ;) Some knots have too many common names!

Okay, so it is in the Knot Kingdom... Genus Loopus and I suppose the specific epithet would be farmerifera. Loopus farmerifera does that make sense?
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Loopus Circusus Bowlinia x farmerifera.. Get it right damn it ..and I don't have time for italics
 
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