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Hey Rich.I agree with the rope angle deduction ,my point is that Strasser should have also seen some deductions for his mistakes as well, and Im sure he did .Just doesnt seem right to me.
ITTC in St. Louis...and the winner is...
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There is no doubt that this one could have gone several different ways. Imagine if Miguel had gotten in the Master as well. I believe he was right on Bernds heels after prelims. I think this speaks to the level of competition and the quality of the field top to bottom. Not much room for error with this group.
The same can be said for the womens competitors. The likes of Josephine, Chrissy, Marilou, Ann K, Jessica, Kathy H, and all the other amazing women competitors really have stepped up the level of competition over years past. I wish we could have had three in the finals this year..hopefully next year we can get four !!!!
The same can be said for the womens competitors. The likes of Josephine, Chrissy, Marilou, Ann K, Jessica, Kathy H, and all the other amazing women competitors really have stepped up the level of competition over years past. I wish we could have had three in the finals this year..hopefully next year we can get four !!!!
easyphloem
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The same can be said for the womens competitors. The likes of Josephine, Chrissy, Marilou, Ann K, Jessica, Kathy H, and all the other amazing women competitors really have stepped up the level of competition over years past. I wish we could have had three in the finals this year..hopefully next year we can get four !!!!
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There's always room for potential female competitors to practice their ITCC skillz at the Charlotte Arborists Association TCC in April!
Cash, gear, glory...... a giant belt buckle.
A call is going out to all female TCC climbers - The CAA wants you to come and have fun in our trees!
SZ
The same can be said for the womens competitors. The likes of Josephine, Chrissy, Marilou, Ann K, Jessica, Kathy H, and all the other amazing women competitors really have stepped up the level of competition over years past. I wish we could have had three in the finals this year..hopefully next year we can get four !!!!
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There's always room for potential female competitors to practice their ITCC skillz at the Charlotte Arborists Association TCC in April!
Cash, gear, glory...... a giant belt buckle.
A call is going out to all female TCC climbers - The CAA wants you to come and have fun in our trees!
SZ
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- United Kingdom
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There is no doubt that this one could have gone several different ways. Imagine if Miguel had gotten in the Master as well. I believe he was right on Bernds heels after prelims. I think this speaks to the level of competition and the quality of the field top to bottom. Not much room for error with this group.
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I think fifth place after the prelims was Jon Turnbull, the European champion. Again if he had got in the masters things may be different, he's highly experienced in the masters arena haveing been in the masters of every competition he's been in (except ITCC), and thats a lot of masters, 4 or 5 UK events each year, ETCC for the past four years, plus Swedish (first this year) and any others that hes been to around europe.
It seems odd that some americans are querying the fact that an american didn't win in america? Congratulations should go to Mark C for being the most consistantly perfect climber in the world. To win your chapter 13 (is that right?) times in row and continually get in the master (ITCC) year after year, is a most awesome achievment IMO.
Maybe Beddes got bonus points for audience participation?
There is no doubt that this one could have gone several different ways. Imagine if Miguel had gotten in the Master as well. I believe he was right on Bernds heels after prelims. I think this speaks to the level of competition and the quality of the field top to bottom. Not much room for error with this group.
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I think fifth place after the prelims was Jon Turnbull, the European champion. Again if he had got in the masters things may be different, he's highly experienced in the masters arena haveing been in the masters of every competition he's been in (except ITCC), and thats a lot of masters, 4 or 5 UK events each year, ETCC for the past four years, plus Swedish (first this year) and any others that hes been to around europe.
It seems odd that some americans are querying the fact that an american didn't win in america? Congratulations should go to Mark C for being the most consistantly perfect climber in the world. To win your chapter 13 (is that right?) times in row and continually get in the master (ITCC) year after year, is a most awesome achievment IMO.
Maybe Beddes got bonus points for audience participation?
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Its not americans are upset an american didnt win, were upset that thebest competitor didnt win (IMO) It seems that we (USA) always have to be careful what we say/do around the foreigners. Dont want to say/do the wrong thing, you will make them feel like they are not welcomed or we dont like them.
There were MANY times this was said and felt at the ITCC......Like when Beddas couldnt find his station and then swung violently off the limbwalk limb when he attempted to swing. The consensus was "better not say anything if he DOES win, the Euros will think we are plotting against them!
BS IMO!!! Euro vs. America crap needs to stop and you Euros have to stop with this, "dont say that you might offend SOMEONE!" nonsense. Unless your from France.....lol!
Sorry to vent here guys, but this was a VERY popular consensus all weekend I heard from Judges, competitiors, and spectators alike. Disgusting! Call a duck a duck, not a feathered being because you may offend the Mallard.
There were MANY times this was said and felt at the ITCC......Like when Beddas couldnt find his station and then swung violently off the limbwalk limb when he attempted to swing. The consensus was "better not say anything if he DOES win, the Euros will think we are plotting against them!
BS IMO!!! Euro vs. America crap needs to stop and you Euros have to stop with this, "dont say that you might offend SOMEONE!" nonsense. Unless your from France.....lol!
Sorry to vent here guys, but this was a VERY popular consensus all weekend I heard from Judges, competitiors, and spectators alike. Disgusting! Call a duck a duck, not a feathered being because you may offend the Mallard.
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Mark does have a lot more class than most people.
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Don't say that! Now there will be no living with him....
Mark does have a lot more class than most people.
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Don't say that! Now there will be no living with him....
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My main point was things could have been different for many reasons, but things are how they are. Don't worry about offending anybody in Europe, especially me, I'm not offended in any way.
I guess as I wasn't there that I should concede, and keep out of this conversation, but if the points were added up and Beddes won, then I would think thats it. I've witnessed many comps where no one could work out why the winner was the winner, even some judges don't know. But thats how the system works and complaining about it afterwards is not sporting no matter what country your from or defending.
I guess as I wasn't there that I should concede, and keep out of this conversation, but if the points were added up and Beddes won, then I would think thats it. I've witnessed many comps where no one could work out why the winner was the winner, even some judges don't know. But thats how the system works and complaining about it afterwards is not sporting no matter what country your from or defending.
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tell you what , I've been a boxing fan for many years , haven't missed a title fight since Ali -Spinks II . Howard lederman the ringside judge(HBO ), doesn't mean anything but everything .Alot of 12 round decisions , some pray for a knockout to make it easy .Since Rich , you say a judge looks at the climb dictated by the scoresheet , than lets hand some scoresheets out to certain treebuzzers and see who we say is champion . Many a trained eyes are watching these days , don't be suprised . Asscociated press and Sport leagues have different MVP's , and athletes know it's special when both the league and the press(fans) pick the same winner.
Kathy the robberies as i see it ;
-The year Beddes ran to his car for a throw bag during the event , and won , was bs. Everybody knew it , but it was so cool . Mark should have won.
- Rip , won the day after the event , after Mark was crowned champ . Mark should have won.
Should means didn't , thats my two cents .
Kathy the robberies as i see it ;
-The year Beddes ran to his car for a throw bag during the event , and won , was bs. Everybody knew it , but it was so cool . Mark should have won.
- Rip , won the day after the event , after Mark was crowned champ . Mark should have won.
Should means didn't , thats my two cents .
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Kathy the robberies as i see it ;
-The year Beddes ran to his car for a throw bag during the event , and won , was bs. Everybody knew it , but it was so cool . Mark should have won.
- Rip , won the day after the event , after Mark was crowned champ . Mark should have won.
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both before my time, can't speak to that. of course there are mistakes - the dang thing is run by humans, right? i was DQed in AR my first ITCC comp (montreal) for putting my hand above my prusik, which at the time should have just generated a warning. i didn't know enough to protest until it was too late. $hit happens. learned a lot that year, made some friends (came in 4th anyway) and came back the next year knowing the rule book inside out. i'm sure we've all experienced something similar in some arena or other. winning is always fun, but sometimes it's more about the journey than the destination. maybe?
dunno. no disrespect to anyone.
k.
Kathy the robberies as i see it ;
-The year Beddes ran to his car for a throw bag during the event , and won , was bs. Everybody knew it , but it was so cool . Mark should have won.
- Rip , won the day after the event , after Mark was crowned champ . Mark should have won.
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both before my time, can't speak to that. of course there are mistakes - the dang thing is run by humans, right? i was DQed in AR my first ITCC comp (montreal) for putting my hand above my prusik, which at the time should have just generated a warning. i didn't know enough to protest until it was too late. $hit happens. learned a lot that year, made some friends (came in 4th anyway) and came back the next year knowing the rule book inside out. i'm sure we've all experienced something similar in some arena or other. winning is always fun, but sometimes it's more about the journey than the destination. maybe?
dunno. no disrespect to anyone.
k.
easyphloem
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... sometimes it's more about the journey than the destination.
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Journey <u>is</u> a great band.
SZ
... sometimes it's more about the journey than the destination.
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Journey <u>is</u> a great band.
SZ
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... sometimes it's more about the journey than the destination.
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Journey <u>is</u> a great band.
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you rock, ez.
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... sometimes it's more about the journey than the destination.
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Journey <u>is</u> a great band.
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I loved all the climbs but after it was all done i figured beddes one it based on mathematics. He hit the throwline high his first shot where as mark did not hit such a good shot his first throw. Mark had to advance his line. and he still didnt get the greatest TIP. I think that is the difference of 3 or 4 points right? Then you take the line angles of mark that cancels Beddes few awkward moves.
When I looked at the tree and pretended like I was planning for the masters myself, I thought "this tree needs two lines set in it." There were two very obvious, distinct, and very crucial sides of the tree. I also realized I would not have had the confidence to try and set two lines. Each throw under pressure is the more likely to get tangles, misses, lossed time etc. I think the other three climbers thought about throwing two lines as well but didnt for probably the same reasons I wouldnt have. Beddes came in and nailed two beautiful TIP. I also think that the designers of the course had that exact techinque in mind when they laid out a pretty treacherous climb. Thew wanted both of the trees main Tie in points to be used.
Mark had a beautiful climb, but i left the rink confident that Beddes had won. The other three I had completely wrong.
When I looked at the tree and pretended like I was planning for the masters myself, I thought "this tree needs two lines set in it." There were two very obvious, distinct, and very crucial sides of the tree. I also realized I would not have had the confidence to try and set two lines. Each throw under pressure is the more likely to get tangles, misses, lossed time etc. I think the other three climbers thought about throwing two lines as well but didnt for probably the same reasons I wouldnt have. Beddes came in and nailed two beautiful TIP. I also think that the designers of the course had that exact techinque in mind when they laid out a pretty treacherous climb. Thew wanted both of the trees main Tie in points to be used.
Mark had a beautiful climb, but i left the rink confident that Beddes had won. The other three I had completely wrong.
