ISA Cetified Arborist Agreement

It's all about the green backs. If enough would punch the wallet they would fold to what the members want. Just look at the mighty teacher's union in RI. All them bum teachers fired and the union can't help them a bit.
 
Man and the guy who responded to me my e-mail made me I think I was the only one who had a problem with this.Im sure theres got to be at least 6 people out of 20 thousand that disagree a little.I guess the all mighty dollar controls people more than I thought if people are scared it will hurt the bottom line they will sign anything.I figure the ISA is playing into that logic figuring the blind mice will sign,But if enough people resisted and it actually hurt there pocket book than im sure there stance would change.Or if all 6 of us got tgether and created our own arborist org with people who get certified because they actually want to do good work and not just a logo to generate more calls.
 
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Man and the guy who responded to me my e-mail made me I think I was the only one who had a problem with this.Im sure theres got to be at least 6 people out of 20 thousand that disagree a little.I guess the all mighty dollar controls people more than I thought if people are scared it will hurt the bottom line they will sign anything.I figure the ISA is playing into that logic figuring the blind mice will sign,But if enough people resisted and it actually hurt there pocket book than im sure there stance would change.Or if all 6 of us got tgether and created our own arborist org with people who get certified because they actually want to do good work and not just a logo to generate more calls.

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I'll join your party of six.
 
I really believe the ISA cerified arborist has become just a tool to show a credential toget more work.If the credentially really meant something then we would not have to police each other we would police ourselves hence the phrase ethics.Ethics is something that is within youits the things you do when no one is looking when you cant get caught.Its just not something you can inforce thats a farce or a mirage.Kinda what jesus referred to as white washed tombs full of dead mans bones.
 
I always felt my goal is to leave my clients trees better off than I found them.Unless its a removal,vista prune or thinning for light.Then my goal was to educate them and then do the upmost to satisfy there needs within reason.sometimes there are things I will not do and I will walk away.I guess I look at the ansi pruning standards and best manangement practices and think they are so imcomplete.More should be stated regarding species specifics and not just the same pruning standard for every tree.Also the ISA approach regarding fertilization man thats all about profit and not much care for the trees.I guess the thing that bugs me most is at the conferences the teach us all this stuff to become a successful company and make profit but it really contradics sometimes with really caring for the trees or your clients needs.I went to and isa marketing class once and had to walk out-talk about lack of ethics-basically if they were a good customer you were taught to milk em dry.Dont get me wrong I really like being a CA and and ISA member and its not all bad.But this new policy is to me a violation of my basic freedoms and to take responsibility for oneself.
 
With all the respect to the other posters...

I have read through this forum and the contract that all these comments are about. I really can't understand why it is such a big deal?

I actually had to sign this contract before I could take the test...I read through it and didnt think much of it. I mean I am not a criminal so that is that right? Yea I had one speeding ticket when I was 16 or 17 but that to me wasn't what they were asking.

This contract violating our basic freedoms? I don't know about that.

I am so proud to be an ISA Certified Arborist especially because I am still in college and it is very rare for a student to have this certification. And proudly have the patch on my backpack

This contract isn't going to stop me from being the greatest ISA Certified Arborist I can be.

yes we have been our own police when it comes to our trees but before becoming certified haven't you done the same thing? I know I did.

I just signed it and sent it in so I can get back to what really matters to me...being an ISA Certified Arborist...telling customers about it...and talking care of their trees like I always have
 
Number one Im a buisness owner with alot friends who are CAs and own buisnesses.Thru the years I have tendency to frequent these friends jobs-even some are family members jobs.Thru the years I have seen countless would be violations within this new agreement.Alot of time I will point out to the CA the apparent violations I seen and vice versa.Its kinda how man handle things where im from face to face-iron sharpening iron.Could you imagine me out with my cell phone trying to gather evidence to turn in my peer secrectly.Or better yet how about the local CA that doesnt like you and would do any to harm your buisness or reputation for there own benefit.Needless to say this has the potential to get real ugly.As far as freedoms it violates well namely my personal freedoms of disclosure.As a christian man when I see someone at fault im commanded to correct via one on one, im also commanded to live a peaceable life minding to my own buisness.So i would say this new policy would violate religious principles also.I can still be a great arborist without that little patch.The goal of the ISA I think is to make you think otherwise-I was brainwashed into thinking this also.
 
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I can still be a great arborist without that little patch.The goal of the ISA I think is to make you think otherwise-I was brainwashed into thinking this also.

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I think I love this guy.
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I must truly say it's about time others are really starting to see the light.
 
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The goal of the ISA I think is to make you think otherwise-I was brainwashed into thinking this also.

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see i still dont get what you are saying? sorry i guess i just dont understand this...

oh well i guess the few people that are posting on this forum will let their certification to run out...no organization is perfect i guess you will have to start a new certification program
 
Jimmy,I know we could safely double that number. Some with lots of years of being certified, and some newbies (1st time to re-cert). It wouldn't be the first time a college kid was insulated against the realities of the real world.

For the people who have paid the freight on making the ISA what it is today, it is a kick in the head! Sign it if you want, I stand against the principle of the matter. IF it was such a great deal for everyone in the organization, they would have polled their CAs, or at least asked for input!

Last fall our Director to the ISA came back from a meeting and informed the Chapter Board that he was a conduit from the Board to the Chapter. Not even a two-way street. Funny that the Chapter members had been paying the bills shipping him around the globe! Oh, and I knew more about the ethics policy than HIM (he wasn't aware of the policy). He doesn't happen to be a CA either! Why did I know more than him, I WANTED TOO!!!
 
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