ISA Cetified Arborist Agreement

Probably be more effective done regionally.It would also be nice to actually have a voice in such and organization.Its so strange to me how this particular policy doesnt rub others the wrong way.
 
well it probably does but most people just sign and go on, i have not gotten to read the whole thing because i wont be certified until thur. hopefully i take the test, so they wont allow you to go to that part of the website. has anyone spoken to their chapter? what do they think? i cant really comment because again i have not read it in its entirety. i will let you know though.
 
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I have read through this forum and the contract that all these comments are about. I really can't understand why it is such a big deal?

...I read through it and didn't think much of it. I mean I am not a criminal so that is that right? Yea I had one speeding ticket when I was 16 or 17 but that to me wasn't what they were asking.



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I suggest you read it again. They want disclosure of ANY and ALL complaints against you by a government or professional body.

The ISA does not qualify in the agreement that those complaints be limited to those of a tree or business nature.

So yes, that speeding ticket needs to be disclosed and by signing the agreement you have agreed to report any future tickets (all complaints) within 60 days of getting one to the ISA. Failure to do so will be breach of contract with the ISA and they theoretically can pull your certification as a result.

We live in a society where words don't seem to mean much on the street but in contract law, words not only mean things, they mean everything.

And anyone willing to sign a contract with the predetermined position that they will not comply with any particular part of the agreement is acting unethically and is not worthy of trust.

If you are going to put your John Hancock on something then you had best be willing to comply with it to the letter. Otherwise your word is worthless.

If people want to be respected and trusted, then they simply have to honor their word and live with integrity rather than always looking for the opportunity to argue the meaning of the word "IS."

If people did that they wouldn't have signed on for most of the credit card offers out there, they wouldn't have bought houses they couldn't afford, they wouldn't have as many relationship troubles and they certainly wouldn't be living in in as much fear of getting screwed!

Anyone who signs this agreement with the intent of not complying with it 100% has proven they are unethical.
 
Regarding the following comment by Derek Vannice, which was copied and pasted by Jerry B. on the first page of this thread:

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Please also note that the Certification Program is required to maintain and enforce such ethics or conduct rules as part of our recognition and accreditation under the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) Standard 17024 by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI).

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I found this:

http://publicaa.ansi.org/sites/apdl/Docu...PCAC-GI-505.pdf

Guidance on the Scope, Authority, and Organizational Structure of the Certification Body

See Page 8, 'Appendix B, ISO/IEC 17024 Requirements 4.1 and 4.2 Relating Specifically to Organizational Structure', section 4.1.3:

"The certification body shall confine its requirements, evaluation and decision on certification to those matters specifically related to the scope of the desired certification."

and page 9, section 4.2.6:

"The certification body shall define policies and procedures for the resolution of appeals and complaints (Code of Ethics and Disciplinary Program)."



Looks like the ISA Certification Committee went well beyond what ANSI required.
 
they kinda went and ran with it a little.Seems to read to be more of a ethics violations resolution statement.It seems almost like they took what was required and made it something entirely different more of a policing/privacy policy.
 
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Its so strange to me how this particular policy doesnt rub others the wrong way.

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I think that its strange and doesn't seem well thought out. I will say that I put more energy into working jobs, bidding, payroll, taxes, trying to get a new stumper enging, etc, and so I really haven't informed myself about the whole issue.

I have a clean criminal record, driving record, complaint record, don't spike prunes or top trees, and have all the paperwork for business, so I don't feel like I'm personally at risk. This is NOT to say that only people "at risk" would be concerned, nor should be concerned.

I know that ISA CA is a voluntary membership, and I also know that it helps get me jobs because of the credential, and would be ineligible for some jobs where a CA onsite is required.

I hope that a reasonable result comes. From the limited bit that I think I know about the issues, it doesn't seem to be a well thought out plan that will get the results ISA wants.
 
Having read what Mahk posted clarifies what would be a reasonable assumption as to what the agreement was meant to be about.

We just need someone at ISA to compare what they are asking us to sign with what they are required to have in place.

All they have to do is add a simple sentence on the scope of complaints and I'm good to go.

Still have an appointment with my legal-beagle to find out how enforceable it is as written though.

Meantime, still gonna work hard on prepping for my BCMA.

The credentials are still worthwhile despite the hurdles they are throwing at us.
 
The Prairie Chapter Code of Ethics:

Strive for continuous self development by increasing their qualifications and technical proficiency by staying abreast of technological and scientific developments affecting the profession.

Nor misuse or omit material facts in promoting technical information, products or services if the effect would be to mislead or misrepresent.

Hold paramount the safety and health of all people, and endeavor to protect property and the environment in the performance of professional responsibilities.

Accurately and fairly represent their capabilities, qualifications and experience and those of their employees and/or agents.

Subscribe to fair and honest business practices in dealing with clients, suppliers, employees and other professionals.

Support the improvement of professional services and products through encouraging research and development.

Observe the standards and promote adherence to the ethics embodied in this Code.
 
Re: ISA Certified Arborist Agreement

It is at least "Industry Related"! Doesn't mention those pesky parking tickets though!!!

I am a tad confused about the last few points on Mark's link. Where does that leave the CEU/Conference/Workshop educational component???
 
Re: ISA Certified Arborist Agreement

I hope people who are some what bothered in the least by this new policy are letting there voices be heard - I know Ive blown up the ISAs email had some humorous responses to and one denial of the whole policy by someone really high up.I think he was playing possum because that was a face to face encounter-kinda put em on the spot.
 
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I haven't signed yet. I keep wondering whether anyone involved will turn up here to answer some of these questions and clarify a bit.
Maybe they should be invited?!?
 
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I haven't. Not exactly as a sign of protest, just the whole issue is in the "To Do" Box. I'm hoping to have some clarification before signing.
 
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i got my test next thursday and got a clean record but why would they need to know about speeding tix, thats kinda weak. just because some cop feels like writing out fines cuz hes got nothing better to do means its down the pipes for my creds. too? I understand it to some extent though cuz there are jerkoffs out there that are certified yet still spike trees. wild
 
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