ISA Cetified Arborist Agreement

Re: ISA Certified Arborist Agreement

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why would they need to know about speeding tix, thats kinda weak.

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They don't. If it relates to arboriculture, sure, they have every right to know. If it doesn't, I believe that you have a legally defensible argument to not disclose personal info.

-Tom
 
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Tom ttm, I think in this case that may not be so clear cut.

They are a private organization, and the terms of the agreement contain a provision whereby the signer (you or me) agrees to such disclosures. We are not bound by law to abide by them through dictum and so cannot be forced to sign it other than through our own desire to purchase their product which is purely optional.

Remember, being ethical in the private sector means playing by the rules, whatever rules we agree to.

And if we cannot agree to the rules ethics further dictates that we don't join the game unless/until we can change the rules to our satisfaction.

There is no doubt the ISA has overstepped on this one. It also seems that they were trying very hard to slap something very inclusive together.

While it is unlikely that they didn't run this by the lawyers, it is appearing to me that legal advise was a bit short on this development of this contract.
 
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I agree, Rick, but what I was saying is if you choose not to disclose every little thing, you would still be on solid legal ground if they later tried to revoke your cert for say, an undisclosed library late fee.

I don't know this for a fact, but I have spoken with a few folks, and this is what I'm hearing. (Vagueness intentional, I shall not reveal my sources.)

-Tom
 
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There is no doubt the ISA has overstepped on this one. It also seems that they were trying very hard to slap something very inclusive together.

While it is unlikely that they didn't run this by the lawyers, it is appearing to me that legal advise was a bit short on this development of this contract.

[/ QUOTE ]Uh before you go a lot farther, who is "they"? Let's remember, to a large extent, ISA is its members. the agreement was composed by committee folks and moved along by the cert dept. You are spot on about lack of legal input. I just paid dues so am waiting for letter.

O and rfw, se you next year maybe!

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@tom ttm: I think we are on the same wavelength as in that provision being unenforceable. I had mentioned that in an earlier post, just didn't see it from the same angle you were.

@Guy: Sorry about the lack of recent communication on my part...I've sent an email to you. I'm begging forgiveness:
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I agree that "they" are we if we are members but this is a product being sold to members and non members alike in any case. I'll be the first to admit a lack of consistency in my membership so I can't speak to whether this was put to the members for comment or not.

I'm also not aware that a draft had been submitted for comment by credential holders. It may have been but if it was I missed it.

In any case, I'm truly getting the impression that this is a "put up or shut up " edict "and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out" if you don't like it. that may not be the case but it certainly smells and tastes that way.
 
There's no way they will follow up on this, background checks etc. They don't even check applicants work history.I know first hand of certified arborists that had no where near enough time to get tested. I don't think they will spend the money needed to be thorough in completing this process. How about making tests a little harder? Or just checking out companies work.
 
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...I'll be the first to admit a lack of consistency in my membership so I can't speak to whether this was put to the members for comment or not.

I'm also not aware that a draft had been submitted for comment by credential holders. It may have been but if it was I missed it.

[/ QUOTE ]Nope; all in-house, then blammo. In fairness it's hard to see how they could run a draft by 20,000 people...but still, the tolerance of obvious overkill, and forced hypocrisy by us senior cert holders (especially those with a shall we say colorful past
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re checking, no of course not routinely, but it's just the fact of that info floating around who knows where, to be picked up who knows when, by who knows who: that's the rub.
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but it's just the fact of that info floating around who knows where, to be picked up who knows when, by who knows who: that's the rub.
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This is my problem with it. The potential for abuse is limitless.

-Tom
 
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Nope; all in-house, then blammo. In fairness it's hard to see how they could run a draft by 20,000 people...

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I dunno Guy. ANSI has no problem doing with 100's of thousands. The federal governmnent has no problem notifying millions.

ISA has no problem sending me as a non member several notices a year about joining or renewing.

No, it smells like there was no desire for comment from those most affected.

A separate but related question: where in the budget have they set aside funds for administration of this new edict?
 
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