here's what i tried next, a combo of what i could hear from ekka's video and what Alves posted. when my knot wasnt binding hardcore it was advancing, but im not sure the pulley was doing much. does anyone use this technique regularly? like i said, i really like the idea of using the same energy used to climb to advance the hitch
IS the grigri safe for this?
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Hey, Sizz...I was doing some of the same stuff today. Rather than post all my stuff in your thread, I started one over at TH.
See if it makes sense to you....
http://gypoclimber.com/treehouse/viewtopic.php?p=78430#78430
Have you got any actual picts of your setup?
You stated, "i really like the idea of using the same energy used to climb to advance the hitch "...the way I did it today was really smooth...my legs did the work primarily. I hope to try it again tomorrow. (Oh, and I used my homemade Bshot and new Slickline and 14oz throwbag to set the line and ropesaver...2nd shot, 40 feet. The best thing about the BS for me is the accuracy it allows.)
See if it makes sense to you....
http://gypoclimber.com/treehouse/viewtopic.php?p=78430#78430
Have you got any actual picts of your setup?
You stated, "i really like the idea of using the same energy used to climb to advance the hitch "...the way I did it today was really smooth...my legs did the work primarily. I hope to try it again tomorrow. (Oh, and I used my homemade Bshot and new Slickline and 14oz throwbag to set the line and ropesaver...2nd shot, 40 feet. The best thing about the BS for me is the accuracy it allows.)
Sorry Sizzle, the pics from the vid look like crap, but if you can see the mpg version you'll be sweet.
Foot ascenders, pantins make life easy, and you can pretty much work with them on and they dont get in the way.
But I think we're all deviating a little from topic about the GriGri.
I read somewhere they the Lockjack was the bees knees as far as a replacement for your hitch, I'm sure a few people around here would have one.
Foot ascenders, pantins make life easy, and you can pretty much work with them on and they dont get in the way.
But I think we're all deviating a little from topic about the GriGri.
I read somewhere they the Lockjack was the bees knees as far as a replacement for your hitch, I'm sure a few people around here would have one.
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Sizz, if you want a system that is a lil out of your arms reach so you can body thrust full lengths, and advance itself, then the lockjack is the device for you. It is made to do just that. I personally liked the LJ sport version better, but that stays close to the harness.
I must also say that I prefer the hitch for everyday stuff. I like the LJS but not as much for everyday use. I couldn't dial in on a smooth rappel or leap.
If you want to just have a way to advance the hitch on its own, why not try an adjustable bridge setup?
I must also say that I prefer the hitch for everyday stuff. I like the LJS but not as much for everyday use. I couldn't dial in on a smooth rappel or leap.
If you want to just have a way to advance the hitch on its own, why not try an adjustable bridge setup?
Panthro, i wasnt able to get any pics because it was raining too hard. Oregon's having some flooding problems right now because the rain just wont let up. If it breaks today, i will try to snap a few pics. in your TH pics i noticed you have a hand ascender. how do you like using that? i'm thinking about using the REI gift card to get one of those instead and create a system similar to this
http://www.rescueresponse.com/html/news02-02/highlight.html
Ekka, dont worry about the pics. i was able to glean enough info from different sources to create a self advancing system, but i noticed that it involves climbing against a lot of friction. I'm still working on it. I think i'm dissuaded from purchasing the grigri, if not from all the discussion here than by the fact that i would have to buy a new rope to accommodate it.
Mark, i like the idea of the LJ, but not the cost. maybe someday, but for now i will be using mostly hitches. they seem to have many advantages anyway.
http://www.rescueresponse.com/html/news02-02/highlight.html
Ekka, dont worry about the pics. i was able to glean enough info from different sources to create a self advancing system, but i noticed that it involves climbing against a lot of friction. I'm still working on it. I think i'm dissuaded from purchasing the grigri, if not from all the discussion here than by the fact that i would have to buy a new rope to accommodate it.
Mark, i like the idea of the LJ, but not the cost. maybe someday, but for now i will be using mostly hitches. they seem to have many advantages anyway.
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in your TH pics i noticed you have a hand ascender. how do you like using that? i'm thinking about using the REI gift card to get one of those instead and create a system similar to this
http://www.rescueresponse.com/html/news02-02/highlight.html
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10-4 on the rain and pictures.
The hand ascender works fine...I like the handle to pull and stabilize with while I am stepping in the loop. For ascending a freehanging rope this is the best I have tried so far (there is a lot I have not tried).
I am going to look closer at the RADS you linked to...Tom D. had made reference to it and it looks interesting.
in your TH pics i noticed you have a hand ascender. how do you like using that? i'm thinking about using the REI gift card to get one of those instead and create a system similar to this
http://www.rescueresponse.com/html/news02-02/highlight.html
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10-4 on the rain and pictures.
The hand ascender works fine...I like the handle to pull and stabilize with while I am stepping in the loop. For ascending a freehanging rope this is the best I have tried so far (there is a lot I have not tried).
I am going to look closer at the RADS you linked to...Tom D. had made reference to it and it looks interesting.
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Sizzle:
Robert Phillips has been showing several variations of that system for 10 or 15 years. He calls it the geriatric assist. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif You can easily advance the pulley by attaching it to the line with a Microcender. Then attach a throwline to the Microcender and place the throwline over your TIP. When you pull on the throwline it will pull the Microcender/pulley up the line.
Ekka:
Thanks (again!) for posting the videos. One problem with the systems shown in the video, however, is that the hitch has to be set far enough away so that the climber gets a good pull when s/he wants to go up; but, this places the climbing hitch so far from the climber that it is difficult to manipulate the hitch when working one section of the tree.
One solution to this problem is an adjustable bridge. An adjustable bridge can be set far from the climber when s/he wants to move up, and can then be easily moved closer to the climber when the climber needs to work one area and has to frequently use the hitch to move short distances up and/or down. As Mark implied, there are several (numerous) variations of adjustable bridges.
Adjustable bridges can be broken down into two basic types, sliding bridges and quick-draws. There was an article about one type of sliding bridge in Arborist News, October 2001, and there have been numerous threads both here and on AS about other types of sliding bridges and quick draws. A search of the archives should give you a lot of stuff to look at. And if Mark and Tom are interested, I can look into having the AN article put here on TreeBuzz.
Robert Phillips has been showing several variations of that system for 10 or 15 years. He calls it the geriatric assist. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif You can easily advance the pulley by attaching it to the line with a Microcender. Then attach a throwline to the Microcender and place the throwline over your TIP. When you pull on the throwline it will pull the Microcender/pulley up the line.
Ekka:
Thanks (again!) for posting the videos. One problem with the systems shown in the video, however, is that the hitch has to be set far enough away so that the climber gets a good pull when s/he wants to go up; but, this places the climbing hitch so far from the climber that it is difficult to manipulate the hitch when working one section of the tree.
One solution to this problem is an adjustable bridge. An adjustable bridge can be set far from the climber when s/he wants to move up, and can then be easily moved closer to the climber when the climber needs to work one area and has to frequently use the hitch to move short distances up and/or down. As Mark implied, there are several (numerous) variations of adjustable bridges.
Adjustable bridges can be broken down into two basic types, sliding bridges and quick-draws. There was an article about one type of sliding bridge in Arborist News, October 2001, and there have been numerous threads both here and on AS about other types of sliding bridges and quick draws. A search of the archives should give you a lot of stuff to look at. And if Mark and Tom are interested, I can look into having the AN article put here on TreeBuzz.
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And if Mark and Tom are interested, I can look into having the AN article put here on TreeBuzz.
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I'd like to hear what the mebers think. Would you like the article added?
And if Mark and Tom are interested, I can look into having the AN article put here on TreeBuzz.
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I'd like to hear what the mebers think. Would you like the article added?
Yes to adding the article, from me. Your articles section has a lot of useful information, clear and coherent presentation.
Hey Panthro, rain let up today so i was able to get some shots of my setup. The first is self advancing hitch dealy. I think my bridge was too short or something because it was very hard to advance. I hope picture is clear, pull down tail end and red pulley advances red hitch.
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Here's the next one i tried, an adaptation of that RADS diagram, or as Mark called it, "the geriatric assist", which is a fitting name because it requires almost no effort to climb. I think this would work great for a long climb.
In case it isnt clear whats going on, everything is attached the running end, which is in my hand. When i pull down, the blue pulley on my saddle automatically advances the red hitch. after a few pulls, i have to reposition the purple ascender up higher.
In case it isnt clear whats going on, everything is attached the running end, which is in my hand. When i pull down, the blue pulley on my saddle automatically advances the red hitch. after a few pulls, i have to reposition the purple ascender up higher.
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sizzler I would push your knot for the pulley up a little and lenghtnen your bridge. This will give you more distance per pull. the farther out you stretch the more efficient it will be. Have you tried footlocking the tail(running end) in that set up?
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Hey Panthro, rain let up today so i was able to get some shots of my setup. The first is self advancing hitch dealy.
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Picture was great. I have not tried attaching a pulley to the climber side of the rope before...looks like it should work...maybe a different knot for your belay hitch?
Those are good gloves, I'm using them, too. Left handed, huh?
Hey Panthro, rain let up today so i was able to get some shots of my setup. The first is self advancing hitch dealy.
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Picture was great. I have not tried attaching a pulley to the climber side of the rope before...looks like it should work...maybe a different knot for your belay hitch?
Those are good gloves, I'm using them, too. Left handed, huh?
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Here's the next one i tried, an adaptation of that RADS diagram, or as Mark called it, "the geriatric assist", which is a fitting name because it requires almost no effort to climb. I think this would work great for a long climb.
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That is a very neat, concise setup. What attaches the red pulley to the purple ascender? (what type ascender/rope lock is that?)
It looks efficient. Keep us posted on how it does.
I like where you are climbing...can't say I have climbed beside a stream/river like that before.
Here's the next one i tried, an adaptation of that RADS diagram, or as Mark called it, "the geriatric assist", which is a fitting name because it requires almost no effort to climb. I think this would work great for a long climb.
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That is a very neat, concise setup. What attaches the red pulley to the purple ascender? (what type ascender/rope lock is that?)
It looks efficient. Keep us posted on how it does.
I like where you are climbing...can't say I have climbed beside a stream/river like that before.
you've got a keen eye to notice im left handed, was it my watch or what. however, the river was actually my parents driveway. sorry . . .
"What attaches the red pulley to the purple ascender? (what type ascender/rope lock is that?)"
its hard to see, but there's a biner in between the two. and the ascender is Petzl something, but i dont know. its pretty bulky and i dont use it unless i have to.
after all this, i still like my old system better. maybe thats a good thing!
"What attaches the red pulley to the purple ascender? (what type ascender/rope lock is that?)"
its hard to see, but there's a biner in between the two. and the ascender is Petzl something, but i dont know. its pretty bulky and i dont use it unless i have to.
after all this, i still like my old system better. maybe thats a good thing!
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you've got a keen eye to notice im left handed, was it my watch or what. however, the river was actually my parents driveway. sorry . . .
"What attaches the red pulley to the purple ascender? (what type ascender/rope lock is that?)"
its hard to see, but there's a biner in between the two. and the ascender is Petzl something, but i dont know. its pretty bulky and i dont use it unless i have to.
after all this, i still like my old system better. maybe thats a good thing!
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Nah, watch is too easy...it's the spy drones that let me know.
Driveway??? and I was thinking it would be cool to just swing out and drop in the water!!
Sometimes trying out new stuff is a good way to find out an old way was plenty fine...does not (should not) apply to marriage, BTW.
you've got a keen eye to notice im left handed, was it my watch or what. however, the river was actually my parents driveway. sorry . . .
"What attaches the red pulley to the purple ascender? (what type ascender/rope lock is that?)"
its hard to see, but there's a biner in between the two. and the ascender is Petzl something, but i dont know. its pretty bulky and i dont use it unless i have to.
after all this, i still like my old system better. maybe thats a good thing!
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Nah, watch is too easy...it's the spy drones that let me know.
Driveway??? and I was thinking it would be cool to just swing out and drop in the water!!
Sometimes trying out new stuff is a good way to find out an old way was plenty fine...does not (should not) apply to marriage, BTW.
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Hey it looks like you got a hair cut and shaved, you looked better in your avatar
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Please put that article in and if anyone has info or pics of an adjustable bridge or finds that thread please post it ... I have had bit of a look but not found it yet.
Does shortening and lengthening the bridge involve retying? Or is it a device that can be adjusted? Can it be adjusted when weighted?
Often I retie my hitch when doing limb walks as you need it closer in to reach it. But yes when you are going up the tree longer is better
Does shortening and lengthening the bridge involve retying? Or is it a device that can be adjusted? Can it be adjusted when weighted?
Often I retie my hitch when doing limb walks as you need it closer in to reach it. But yes when you are going up the tree longer is better
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