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I did not give advice or my opinion on a spider lift……. But, I do think they look unstable, and based on what I’ve read on this forum, prone to catastrophic failures. They just don’t work in my region, terrain/access etc…. I haven’t seen one deployed out here. You insulted me? No no, I found that your remarks to another climber, when you yourself don’t climb, were offensive. In a philosophical way.
 
I did not give advice or my opinion on a spider lift……. But, I do think they look unstable, and based on what I’ve read on this forum, prone to catastrophic failures. They just don’t work in my region, terrain/access etc…. I haven’t seen one deployed out here. You insulted me? No no, I found that your remarks to another climber, when you yourself don’t climb, were offensive. In a philosophical way.
But my advice had nothing to do with HOW TO CLIMB but not to get himself in over his head
That’s it
 
So does anyone disagree with me ?
If anyone doing pruning or removals feel that their life is threatened everyday at work should not learn better practices and only do work they feel comfortable with or should find a new career?
I guess that’s what all this fuss about

I never gave that member any other advice
Your a real lying sack of shit twisting peoples words, I could bet my life that you couldn’t climb worth shit if your life depended on it, why you hate and don’t respect real climbers who you feel like are wanting to much for their services.
 
I did not give advice or my opinion on a spider lift……. But, I do think they look unstable, and based on what I’ve read on this forum, prone to catastrophic failures. They just don’t work in my region, terrain/access etc…. I haven’t seen one deployed out here. You insulted me? No no, I found that your remarks to another climber, when you yourself don’t climb, were offensive. In a philosophical way.
But my advice had nothing to do with HOW TO CLIMB but not to get himself in over his head
That’s it
I don’t believe for a second that you’re that dumb that you unintentionally twisted my words like that to put me down as if I was scared. Your talking a lot of shit for a guy who’s not a climber talking to someone who’s been climbing for years, and I don’t believe anyone else except your little friends would believe that bullshit either. You strait your disrespected me intentionally from your first remark because you as a sack of worthless shut employer didn’t like my thoughts coming from someone who gets the actually shit done that pays your bills.
 
Your a real lying sack of shit twisting peoples words, I could bet my life that you couldn’t climb worth shit if your life depended on it, why you hate and don’t respect real climbers who you feel like are wanting to much for their services.
What seem to be the problem here bro?

Your words-

“Putting life at risk everyday”
“The risk of life and limb that we take”

VenasNurserys word-

“your life is threatened everyday”
 
What's the deal with the ego stroking of climbers? This thread is not about climbing nor in the climbers talk forum...

As for the owner not being the guy in the air, as long as he can bid appropriately I think it's a great idea. How many times has a owner/climber had to stop work to yell down to customers or neighbor/ potential customers?

There's more to arborculture than wearing spurs
 
I did not give advice or my opinion on a spider lift……. But, I do think they look unstable, and based on what I’ve read on this forum, prone to catastrophic failures. They just don’t work in my region, terrain/access etc…. I haven’t seen one deployed out here. You insulted me? No no, I found that your remarks to another climber, when you yourself don’t climb, were offensive. In a philosophical way.
Thank you this is exactly where I’m coming, and agree the spider lifts are mostly garbage they’re also slow to set up, seen them not be able to make it up very slight inclines, I could see them only really being good for pruning small trees from flat ground, that’s the only kind of trees he could possible
What seem to be the problem here bro?

Your words-

“Putting life at risk everyday”
“The risk of life and limb that we take”

VenasNurserys word-

“your life is threatened everyday
What seem to be the problem here bro?

Your words-

“Putting life at risk everyday”
“The risk of life and limb that we take”

VenasNurserys word-

“your life is threatened everyday”
Awe it really is so cute how you back each other up like that, you know what I’m talking about and my words where that our lives are on the line quite literally I never said I was scared for my life everyday and this clown comes in with some advice as if he knows jack shit, you’d think that you as a very good climber would recognize the truth in my statement and the other nonsense this clown is rattling off, but it’s obvious you’re tight like that eh, there’s no way you also don’t see the difference in the words, you’re just clowning now.
 
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What's the deal with the ego stroking of climbers? This thread is not about climbing nor in the climbers talk forum...

As for the owner not being the guy in the air, as long as he can bid appropriately I think it's a great idea. How many times has a owner/climber had to stop work to yell down to customers or neighbor/ potential customers?

There's more to arborculture than wearing spurs
I think you missed the other part of
This conversation that I got tagged into here, I’m nothing special and it takes everyone to make things work this guy was just saying some disrespectful bullshit and I’d never work with someone like that it’s not wonder he’s having a hard time finding help.
 
This thread started out so well....
Yeah my apologies for contributing to ruining this thread I didn’t realize i was being tagged in here, this thread started out great. Hope it keeps going I’ll delete my comments if it’s for the best though I do stand by my sentiments.
 
My journey with trees started out late December of 2009 on the North shore of Oahu. Previous to that I had experience with saws from a few season of wild land fire fighting. In Hawaii I was lucky enough to start off with an Arborist who was a competition climber as well. We were a small team so I worked as a grounds guy for two solid years just soaking in everything I could from my boss. He brought in a couple great local and traveling contract climbers that also increased my knowledge.
After two years of strict ground work I started taking on small side jobs to build up my skills until my boss saw me as an asset to climb with him here and there. Worked for another year before taking a couple months off to travel Europe and New Zealand before getting on a part time tree crew for 6 months in NZ. Had a great time working with some pretty large trees and got a little into crane work. From there I moved to N. Idaho and worked strictly with pines and firs, mostly removals.
A year of up and down removals day in and day out got pretty boring so moved to Boise to contract climb. Rates sucked and I really wasn’t “good enough” yet to contract so scored a job with a preservation minded company which completely changed my view of trees. Learned all that I could during my short time there before deciding to start my business in 2016. Started contracting while building my own clientele and made a LOT of working relationships with local companies. Contracting really helped build my skill set because it gets you in some situations where you really have to think outside of the square.
August of 2018 I got an offer to go back to NZ for work so made the decision to close shop and go for it. Once back in NZ I quickly felt like just another number and worked a lot of roading contracts just felling trees while a digger cleaned them up. Not why I wanted to become an Arborist so we moved back in March of 2019 to Boise. Needed to take the employee route to de compress so I got a job with one of the larger local outfits. At this point I was fairly well rounded so I was able to fit in on the pruning crew or the removal crew, whichever needed me more. Did a massive amount of crane work here. After the shutdown, I jumped ship to start my business back up in May of 2020. Luckily I had my old client list, sent them all a friendly email and I was back in business. Between that, some google marketing, some FB marketing, and overflow work from the friends I made in the industry during my contract days, we have been full time ever since.
That is my jumbled story of my experience. I love this industry but it also frustrates the heck out of me. Seeing trash work sold pisses me off, but I do my best to ignore it. The ego of it is also a buzzkill because just like many things in life, there will always be someone better than you.
 
My journey with started as young as I can remember, being born and raised being homeschooled on a 3 acre organic farm and nursery in the mountains of Kaua’i, Hawai’i. Our home backed up to a forest reserve. The first tree I fell out of was a old grapefruit tree I was up in the top picking fruits when my Grandma saw me and screamed so loud it threw off my concentration, second tree I fell out of was a rose apple tree I was sitting on a branch level with our two story home when I heard a crack luckily I hit a bunch of branches on the way down landed flat on my back and got the wind knocked out of me I stood up in shock, butt baked as the limbs had ripped off my shorts. Knock on wood I haven’t fallen out of a tree since I learned about climbing saddles and ropes and all those fancy gizmos, I’d say my love and appreciation for plants, fungi and trees, their propagation and maintaining the ecosystem is just as much as my love for climbing pruning and removing trees that justifiably need to be. I was familiar with cutting and using saws from a pretty young age cutting down invasive Albizia and free climbing coconuts. Eventually after high school knowing I wanted to learn more I took my first job as a ground man for a really good old school climber just him doing the bids and climbing with 2-3 groundless and one chipper and truck, I’d just watch and studying everything he was doing eventually he never wanted to give an opportunity to climb so I ended up getting some basic gear and started to teach myself a bit on our trees at home, eventually i hear of another job for a climber, first day was a working interview, a home with 30+ decent sized coconut trees that where fully loaded. At the end of the day I had trimmed 3 cocos and the owner operator had trimmed 20 I thought for sure he was going to tell me not to come back, but he ended up taking the time to teach me so much, to this day he was one of the best overall tree guys I’ve ever known, but we also used a lot of old school techniques and no helmets or any of that stuff lol. A lot of jobs in Hawaii for resorts, etc. don’t utilize the coconuts or other plants as much as I really personally agreed with, and they some motivation and connections of a friend who only climbed coconut trees spineless to harvest and sell the coconut water I started out on my own just sticking to jobs that really where in alignment with my values. Fast forward and our son is born and shortly afterwards we move to Californian to help and be near my wife’s parents. Where I sort of back tracked on my values a bit to provide working a mix of private when city contracts and doing a lot of crane work it’s been cool to experience and work with different parts of the industry and also looking forward to getting back home to Hawai’i to continue with all of what I’m most passionate about, ahupua’a restoration from mountain to ocean invasive species eradication and native plant restoration. Growing food and medicine and climbing trees as long as I’m alive, I’m also a ISA certified arborist.
 
The ego of it is also a buzzkill because just like many things in life, there will always be someone better than you.
Definitely. I think each job / tree can be a real lesson in humility, and this is a good thing. Not saying we should be questioning ourselves unnecessarily- still believing in your inner power and wisdom- but accepting that you will always have limitations.

And then you do a roof clearance for a buddy of yours who has never seen you climb and you completely blow their mind. Lol
 
My neighbor has a couple of those, they are funny to watch. Pigs have surprisingly strong personalities as well, a friend of mine has a pair of “house pigs” that live with him.
I know that Otto's is technically not a pig, but I'm pretty sure he has some porcine DNA in him.

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Who knows, maybe a stumpie can bring some peace and harmony to this thread. Certainly couldn't hurt.

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Whatever dude. Your a landscaper. It even says it on the side of your truck…. This conversation is OVER.
1 last thing you made me go and look at my trucks to make sure that I was right but none of my truck say that
My old forestry truck did say that but sold that this but we stopped 3-4 years ago
Our website hasn’t been updated in years also

But hey My wife has mulched a few beds while planting at a few jobs this year
If you dig into our Facebook you can find them also


But I’m over this also and for respect for me , you, and everyone else I’m done with this topic
 
1 last thing you made me go and look at my trucks to make sure that I was right but none of my truck say that
My old forestry truck did say that but sold that this but we stopped 3-4 years ago
Our website hasn’t been updated in years also

But hey My wife has mulched a few beds while planting at a few jobs this year
If you dig into our Facebook you can find them also


But I’m over this also and for respect for me , you, and everyone else I’m done with this topic
Fuck those 2 guys Venas.. You clearly did not twist his words, and what you said was exactly right. If someone is operating in constant fear than they are either doing something wrong, in over their head, or they need to find a new line of work...
 
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