I bought a Petzl Rig today....

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Ron

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I thought about it long and hard and decided to give it a try.

I video'd the two climbs I did on it today but I forgot to keep my head down so the helmet cam would pick up the action.
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I will redo the video Thursday.

So far, I like the Rig a lot. One thing I thought I noticed though is it seemed like there was a little more friction than I'm use to. But who knows that could just be in my head.

I especially like the lock off feature. It's pretty big, but it doesn't climb big. Good descend control! Well, at least on Velocity rope.

This thing is spec'd for ropes 10.5mm to 11.5mm but I will try it on 10mm HTP, PI, and Lava and see how it does. I'm predicting it'll do great.

I'll do some videos Thursday and post them as soon as I can get them edited and uploaded to YouTube.

I am not a gear head! I can stop at any time!
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This thing is spec'd for ropes 10.5mm to 11.5mm but I will try it on 10mm HTP, PI, and Lava and see how it does. I'm predicting it'll do great.



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Poison Ivy is 11.7 mm and Lava is 11.5 mm isnt it?
 
Can't wait to here about it and see it in action. I am hoping to go get something in the next week. And I got lava. And to be truthful I am getting anxious to spend some money. Checking out your stuff is ultimatly going to help me make a decision on what I get first. You really got me thinking Trango, but I am waiting on your Rig vid.

Thanks Ron!!
 
Hey Guys,


Keep in mind that the Cinch blows apart with a fall from 4 feet. The GRI-GRI is capable of around 12 to 14 if my memory serves me right. The RIG is far superior. Now are you guys climbing Ddrt or Srt? Never the less no one (SHOULD) have more than four feet of slack, but a two foot fall at the right angle could certainly increase velocity. Buyer beware, and climber be afraid!


Stay tied in,
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I have NEVER had my lanyard on in a position where i would be at risk of a 4 foot fall, maybe 2 on a swing, but no more, thats why there are things called lanyard "adjusters". so the length of your rope can shrink.
 
I don't know, but I suspect the Cinch blowing apart on a four foot fall is the result of fall factor 2 drop test. A lot of stuff doesn't pass that test.

If the Cinch was tested in the standard drop test it is essentially a 100kG weight connected with two feet of rope between the TIP and the Cinch (or device under test).

The weight is suspended about two feet ABOVE the TIP and released in a free fall producing near a fall factor 2. It is a very harsh and severe test.

Could that happen in treeclimbing? Yes, it's possible, but the climber would have to climb above his TIP which he shouldn't be doing.

Dr. Merchant ("Life on a Line") says that neither a Grigri or an I'D should be used in rescue work, but Petzl shows the I'D being used specifically in rescue work. BTW, Dr. Merchant states a Grigri will blow apart under heavy loads - I guest that would include a fall factor 2 fall.

As I've said before the tree climber's motto should be "Don't fall."

But still even after all is said and done, we have to recognize that there are inherent dangers in treeclimbing and certainly a severe fall resulting in gear failure is possible and we should choose gear, methods, and techniques accordingly and use good sense and practice safe climbing.
 
And I need to be sure we're aware of this: Trango, right now, does not support the use of the Cinch on static rope, nor in a RADS configuration. That doesn't necessarily mean they disapprove of those uses, it's just not what they designed it for.

However, as I understand it, the Grigri started out as purely a belay tool on dynamic rope and look where it's come.

Maybe one day Trango will revise their specs to reflect broader uses.

So just keep in mind if you use a Cinch in a RADS and/or on static rope, you're pretty much on your own, although, I am aware of many that use the Cinch in RADS and have for a long while. Still it's good to know the current situation.
 
Thats good news, Ron, looking forward to your revues and pictures.

Can you elaborate on the more friction comment? Was that in ascent or descent or was it in both? I was hoping for reduced friction in the ascent with RADS configuration compared to the Cinch. I use both Lava and Tachyon and for me they feel and run much different, even though Sherrill says they are the same.

Dave
 
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Thats good news, Ron, looking forward to your revues and pictures.

Can you elaborate on the more friction comment? Was that in ascent or descent or was it in both? I was hoping for reduced friction in the ascent with RADS configuration compared to the Cinch. I use both Lava and Tachyon and for me they feel and run much different, even though Sherrill says they are the same.

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Dave,
It may have just been me on that particular day; maybe I expected it to run like a pulley or something. I'll know more tomorrow, but I thought I noticed the friction during the ascent.

I'll run the Cinch and the Rig back to back tomorrow for comparison.

Very interesting observation that Lava and Tachyon run differently. I have Lava but not Tachyon and I thought they were the same. I bought Lava simply because the orange and blue is my shool's colors. How's that criteria for pickin' a rope.

So which one do you like best, Lava or Tachyon or is it just a 'different' kind of thing?

Thanks,
Ron
 
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So which one do you like best, Lava or Tachyon or is it just a 'different' kind of thing? Thanks,Ron

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It's probably just an illusion but the Tachyon seems to have a slightly firmer and slicker cover. It runs real smooth through mechanicals and is definitely my favorite rope for that use.

I'll be interested if you find any difference in the texture of the rope contact surfaces between the two.

Dave
 
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Dave,
I only have Lava - 'course you could send me your Tachyon!
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Yoiks! I need to pay more attention to what I am typing.
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I was trying to reference the Cinch and Rigs possible differences not the rope.

Dave
 
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Dave,
I only have Lava - 'course you could send me your Tachyon!
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Yoiks! I need to pay more attention to what I am typing.
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I was trying to reference the Cinch and Rigs possible differences not the rope.

Dave

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maybe I need to read a little more carefully
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I see what you mean now!
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...Keep in mind that the Cinch blows apart with a fall from 4 feet...

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First of all, as Ron pointed out, there many kinds of falls from 4 feet, so this statement, without further details, is essentially meaningless. Can you cite the source for this statement? I have to admit I take a very dim view of this sort of fear-mongering, presented as simple fact, without a shred of evidence or a even a credible citation to back it up.

It is also interesting that the Cinch was designed to belay the lead climber in a rock-climbing scenario, i.e., it is meant to catch falls. If it really isn't up to the job, one would think there would be a lot of negative reports from the rock-climbing community and the company would pull it from the shelves. Anyone know of any negative reports?
 
I saw a rescue video on youtube and it's call
(Petzl stop fails to operate during rescue operation in Marshhad Iran .. It look scary comming off that mountain . I tried to post it here , but no luck , I'll try again

Later in SO-CAL
 
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Dear Ron.

You're a jerk.

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It's a gift.

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...I've pondered the idea of buying both a htp line and a rig.

Now I have to.

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Hey man, you can't take it with you - money that is. And if you didn't spend it on climbing gear you'd just spend it on food and get fat.
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But, I'm a little surprised that something I've said has compelled you to buy either the Rig or HTP. The Rig is Dave's fault; he made me buy one too. I'm just kidding, I'd been contemplating buying a Rig for a loooong time. I haven't even finshed evaluating the Rig yet.

As for the HTP, be sure that's what you want, its stretch, or lack there of, is like a steel cable and it doesn't like a Blake's hitch. Does great with 8mm Beeline splittails though. Plus, if you get the 10mm, which I have, it's a half millimeter too small for the Rig (10.5 - 11.5). I suspect it'll work, but I won't know until this afternoon. Sterling also makes the HTP in 11mm BTW.

Sherrill's Snakebite rope is Sterling HTP if that helps. Nice looking rope. If I were doing it over again I think I'd get the Snakebite instead of the black I got. I wanted black because it doesn't show up as much - kinda just the opposite of what arborists would want. I wonder if I could get use to climbing on that snakey look though. Brrrrr....

And just to follow up with the fall topic, if you fall on HTP, it will be harsher than typical arborist rope because of its low stretch.

I like HTP, but I don't know that I've seen a climbing rope I didn't like. It's just different than normal climbing ropes, just be sure that's what you want.

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Thanks for nothing.

Sincerly, Fabio.

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Don't I get a consulting fee or something???
 
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I saw a rescue video on youtube and it's call
(Petzl stop fails to operate during rescue operation in Marshhad Iran .. It look scary comming off that mountain . I tried to post it here , but no luck , I'll try again

Later in SO-CAL

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I saw that - here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iH4aiW7ciI

Notice they do fine for a while. They even swing in free air near the start of the video and there's no sign of failure.

The Stop releases if you squeeze in on the lever and it doesn't take much of a stroke on the lever to fully release it. I have no idea what really happened, the Stop could have broken, but I think if that were the case, they would have come off the rope and the knot in the rope would not have stopped them. A more likely supposition is that one of the two men inadverently pressed the lever, perhaps it was between them and got squeezed between them or one of them got his hand on the lever and didn't realize he was releasing it and when they started to fall he panic-gripped it. But that's just speculation.

I was not aware that the Stop was approved by anyone for two people loads. Because of the short stroke handle it wouldn't be a good rescue device. To me it does speak highly of the strength of the Stop since it did not break when the two-man load hit the knot and stopped abruptly.

Kinda makes one wonder how they would have faired if they'd had safety knots every 6 or 7 feet or so.
 
Scary video there. Im not a huge fan personaly of having a tag line on the rescuer but that said I am a fan of a tag line on the victim (when poss). I wounder how far they may have fallen if that was in place with a top belay?
 
Decided to bite the bullet and ordered a petzl rig, new htp static line (got the red so it would be very visible) new rope bag, some new ocean poly hitch cord and I figured that while I was in a spending mood I also bought 200ft if super braid and some of those nitrate gloves.

Combine that with the deposit I just put on a new dump trailer earlier tonight and i'd say that I'm probably going to be spending a few bucks on a motel room when the miss' finds out

it's all your fault Ron.

Jerk.
 
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