I bought a Petzl Rig today....

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banjo
I don't know where you're goin' with this, but this isn't the place for it, whatever it is. This thread is about the Rig.

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Sorry dude. Rig it up.

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banjo
Re-reading what I said (quoted above) I can see where that came off with a harsh edge to it. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way.
 
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.... Well I am thinking Rig for sure. But I am keeping in mind the cinch. It is good for lanyards any way if nothing else. But watching Ron use it, it seemed to work great for RADS! Going up with ease, not loosing any slack. And rappeling with speed. So I guess when it would be good to use it is when you are going straight up and down, and not no limb walking.

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Well, here's one limb walk with a Cinch on a RADS. I felt like an idiot when I got down and discovered that I had forgot to wipe the camera's memory, so I only got a little spot of video, but this is out on a limb with the Cinch and I was still on my way out the limb in this short clip. My 'experiment' was to minimize my weight and forces against the limb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwZetvXqurE

I've done a number of other limb walks with the Cinch in a RADS - I just didn't get them on video.

But Saturday, I'm gonna video some limb walks with the Rig, and keep in mind, the same could be done with the Cinch.

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...And Ron, I am a snake lover! If I am thinking right in the catolog, what they show is a Gopher Snake. And it does carry a good pattern. Completely harmless. If you picked one up from the wild, you probably would not even get a love bite. So no worries.

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I like snakes too
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I just don't like being reminded of them or being around them
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But honestly, I really like the Snakebite pattern. When I bought my black HTP I was climbing in ... ummmmm.....well, I didn't want a 'pattern' running up a tree. But Snakebite would be my first choice in HTP if I were doing it all over again.
 
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banjo
Re-reading what I said (quoted above) I can see where that came off with a harsh edge to it. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way.

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I can not belive you live in Pa. For one no one south of NY says sorry to any slapnut from the east coast above NY. This is just for your future post.
 
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banjo
Re-reading what I said (quoted above) I can see where that came off with a harsh edge to it. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way.

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I can not belive you live in Pa. For one no one south of NY says sorry to any slapnut from the east coast above NY. This is just for your future post.

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Holly, I don't live in PA, you been relaxin' a bit too hard this evening?
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He thought you lived in Chattanooga, Pennsylvania.


A common mistake.


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Ahhhh, that makes some sense. I'm in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Soooo, Holly, referring back to your post - I got it now!
 
I used my new 10mm snakebite line today with my rig today.... It's a little too quick of a descent for my liking especially when compaired to the 11.6 bluemoon.

It could be my fault. I have all of about 5 min of climb time on the rig but still I'm not overly comfortable with the set up.
 
Yeah, but where's the advantege for example in this specific limb-walk? Looks like PITA, with a Ddrt System it would be way smoother? Ok with a F8 Revolver or Uni I guess also...
But RADS for limb walking?! Whats the Point?
 
Well, there is usually another way of doing things and a lot of times a better one. The point is that you can ascend with a Rig, with different climb lines, and that you can or could limb walk with it too.
 
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But RADS for limb walking?! Whats the Point?

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RADS for limbwalking is soooooo smooth! Having a 2:1 setup to lift allows the climber to lean on the rope and climb back in under tension. This is one place that RADS outshines any other climbing system!
 
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I would love to see some video of the rig in action and judge for myself its practicality.

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Well, here's a little bit of action. I've done much, much more on RADS, but don't have videos of it.

The video (link below) is a bit misleading. The limb is smaller than it looks in the first segment and it's much longer. Due to the strong backlighting, the limb appears shorter than it really is because you can't see the tree the limb is in; it appears to be attached to a tree that is actually 60' behind the tree I'm in. When I set up the camera to make the shot, I thought I had the right tree but the backlighting fooled me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXmVrQKG_M
 
I had a chance to try the Rig and Shunt yesterday. My first impression of the Rig when initially handling it was wow, what a boat anchor. I feel most arborists that have only used a light weight hitch will have similar thoughts so be prepared.

Fortunately, in use, its size and weight are a nonissue. It works well with both Velocity and Tachyon as does the Shunt. Tachyon is a tight fit in the Shunt and I found it would advance better with the Fix pulley hanging from the carabiner rather then clipped as in Ron's video, which is to the lever.

The larger Tachyon works very well but I will keep an eye out for inappropriate wear. This is a very smooth and somewhat novel system with the Shunt being able to follow downward movement on its tether.

As with all RADS systems, tree entry is slow when compared to a 1:1 like footlock or ropewalker, but within the tree movement, is secure and smooth and can often be accomplished with one hand. This would also be a safe and easy system for a beginner.

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Nice Dave! Your comment,

"...tree entry is slow when compared to a 1:1 like footlock or ropewalker, but within the tree movement, is secure and smooth and can often be accomplished with one hand."

is right on as I see it. To me, the RADS is faster and easier than DdRT entry, but not as fast as the SRT methods you mentioned. However, as you pointed out, once you are in the tree, the utility of this particular RADS setup is far more versatile than many think. Plus, if one can enter the tree with this RADS configuration, nothing has to be taken off, changed out, lowered to the ground, etc. as often is the case for most any other SRT method.

Hmmm, you liked the pulley on the biner better? I guess I was under the impression that would shorten the stroke length??? I guess I'll be trying that tomorrow.

Thanks Dave, very nice evaluation!
 
Ive tried Rads techniqes ascending and i find it really slow and cumbersome.In fact I can body thrust way faster and use less energy.Just wondering if Im doing something wrong?
 
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Hmmm, you liked the pulley on the biner better? I guess I was under the impression that would shorten the stroke length??? I guess I'll be trying that tomorrow.

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I am not sure which way I like better yet but with the thicker Tachyon, the shunt seems to release more fully with just the carabiner hanging from the release lever.

The sweet thing about this setup is if you use the pulley/carabiner as your grab to advance, your stroke will be the same either way. I felt that sometimes with the carabiner on the lever I would not get a full release due to it making contact with the Shunt body. By the way, if you try to advance the Shunt by using the shell, there will be some drag due to the cam not fully releasing from the rope.

I'm not sure my post conveyed just how nice a RADS system this combo makes. It is very nice.

Dave
 
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