how many of you rep jesus at work?

Weren't animals created too?

I can't come close to understanding the point that you're trying to make.

Beliefs in right and wrong predate monotheism and Christianity by millenium.

Humans are classified as Homo sapiens...does that make us animals? Of course...we're not vegetables or minerals. What does binomial classification have to do with religion, evolution or right and wrong?
 
Of course the "belief" of right and wrong goes back.

But for simplicity, let us suppose someone does not believe in God, etc.. And they say "Now that's wrong".

Okay ... explain why? What makes it wrong. Based on what? Thin air? Prove its wrong? Explain why something is right? What are the mechanics of "right"?

Never seen anybody prove it. It's a belief system. Like you wrote to basically.

And a belief system is pretty much a religion. It does not take a G,O,D to make a religion.

So if one person wants to remove God from schools, or Buddha from schools, another person can honestly request that "right and wrong" also be removed from school. Many folks wouldn't like such a request, but it would be a fair request in a culture that claims religion and government should be separate.


What you wrote about "right" going back a long time for beliefs, fits what I believe about God and mankind.

From a believer's point of view, I believe that in the origin of man (created by God), that all men had the purity of right and wrong. As all went their separate ways and formed nations or clans, each group retained portions of the teaching.

To your other point, assuming we were created, God did not use Homo sapien. No need to classify. We know who we are. The classification is a need for people feeling we need to be pigion-holed into the animal kingdom.

Scripturally, man has mainly been separated into classifications of nationality, religion, etc.: Saducees, Baal Worshipers, Hitites, Egyptian, Caananites, Hebrews ...

And believer or unbeliever too. But I'm not familiar with any counterpart for Homo sapiens, though I may have missed it.
 
How hard is it to understand that people can see that they live in a society? They are affected by society. They affect society. Since they want to be benefited by society, then they will try to shape society is a way that will result in said benefit. People can easily see that if they steal, the offended party is likely to steal, or steal back. If they experience friendship and sharing, then society is also more likely to reciprocate. Karma, etc.

Do onto others as you would have them to do unto you. A basic selfish way of being.

The true golden rule is not selfish like this.

Do onto others as they would have you do unto them if they have a choice. This is selfless. I always thought it strange how the typical Golden rule is so selfish.

If I hate being treated in a way that you love to be treated, is it kind to do unto me in a way that I hate, just because you love it? I'll really be interested to see the answers to this question. I think that this has just been beaten into people's heads so hard that they don't THINK about it, just follow along.

It is a self-interested motivation because we figure that others will do back onto us as we do onto them. Kindness, treachery, lying, honesty, generosity, etc.

People that are kind will do onto others without expecting to be done for in the same way. Selflessly. I think that a lot of people are kind. You see this when someone gives a beggar something. No expected return. No pat on the back. No expectation of reciprocity.
 
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I kept praying this thread would die a natural death, and I wouldn't have to post; but you bastards keep rolling back the rock and pulling it out of the tomb. It feels like the 700 Club is running on a loop in here; and the ghoulish sound of Pat Robertson's voice can be heard creeping into other threads. Even if God isn't dead for you yet, He sure as hell bores easily; and He has to be getting tired of all this attention.
 
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I kept praying this thread would die a natural death, and I wouldn't have to post; but you bastards keep rolling back the rock and pulling it out of the tomb. It feels like the 700 Club is running on a loop in here; and the ghoulish sound of Pat Robertson's voice can be heard creeping into other threads. Even if God isn't dead for you yet, He sure as hell bores easily; and He has to be getting tired of all this attention.

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Well that's nice to hear you believe in praying though.

Didn't know you had it in you.

It's your posts and others that keep the revival moving.

Cheers.

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I kept praying this thread would die a natural death, and I wouldn't have to post; but you bastards keep rolling back the rock and pulling it out of the tomb. It feels like the 700 Club is running on a loop in here; and the ghoulish sound of Pat Robertson's voice can be heard creeping into other threads. Even if God isn't dead for you yet, He sure as hell bores easily; and He has to be getting tired of all this attention.

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Do onto others as you would have them to do unto you. A basic selfish way of being.

The true golden rule is not selfish like this.

Do onto others as they would have you do unto them if they have a choice. This is selfless. I always thought it strange how the typical Golden rule is so selfish.

If I hate being treated in a way that you love to be treated, is it kind to do unto me in a way that I hate, just because you love it? I'll really be interested to see the answers to this question. I think that this has just been beaten into people's heads so hard that they don't THINK about it, just follow along.

It is a self-interested motivation because we figure that others will do back onto us as we do onto them. Kindness, treachery, lying, honesty, generosity, etc.

People that are kind will do onto others without expecting to be done for in the same way. Selflessly. I think that a lot of people are kind. You see this when someone gives a beggar something. No expected return. No pat on the back. No expectation of reciprocity.

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Good point. Yup, I never looked at the words closely like you have.

I wonder if the original sentence in it's original language might have been worded more carefully. Such as something like; Do unto others as they would prefer you do unto them.

Again I'll say, you have a good point.
 
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I kept praying this thread would die a natural death, and I wouldn't have to post; but you bastards keep rolling back the rock and pulling it out of the tomb. It feels like the 700 Club is running on a loop in here; and the ghoulish sound of Pat Robertson's voice can be heard creeping into other threads. Even if God isn't dead for you yet, He sure as hell bores easily; and He has to be getting tired of all this attention.

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Agree 100%


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Joshua got kicked off AS?

Wow, that's a big deal!

I got news for any of you that are offended over this thread. Exercise some self control and stop clicking on it.

There,

Carry on.
 
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Trees Jim, trees. That's what we're here for. I enjoy learning from alot of the people involved in this thread. This internet is the only chance for us in the boonies to talk to another climber. This is taking the attention away from the important issues. It's making TreeBuzz stale.
 
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I kept praying this thread would die a natural death, and I wouldn't have to post; but you bastards keep rolling back the rock and pulling it out of the tomb. It feels like the 700 Club is running on a loop in here; and the ghoulish sound of Pat Robertson's voice can be heard creeping into other threads. Even if God isn't dead for you yet, He sure as hell bores easily; and He has to be getting tired of all this attention.

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Well that's nice to hear you believe in praying though.

Didn't know you had it in you.

It's your posts and others that keep the revival moving.

Cheers.

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Just stop it. Let's get back to tree biz, or discussing why Joshua got kicked off AS.

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Thanks Boreality for posting and giving this topic more legs.

Cheers,

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Hey I'll just stay involved. Make this my new favorite. As a traditional Mennonite preacher's kid I have some pretty strong opinions and understanding. Really though, isn't there other places for preaching. So no your not good and I'm evil just a person who want's to make this thread so unpleasant it goes away as soon as possible.

PS, Nevermind above comments, carry on. I'll just skip it and come up with a new technique or knot to discuss. You know, use this forum for it's intended purpose.
 
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so how can we apply these concepts in the work place to make it a more enjoyable experience for all?

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A good and important question.

Employer or Co-worker:
What do you need from me so that we can get along well?

What type of learning/ working environment is your ideal?

How do you like to be treated?

Are you a joker type that easily talks smack back and forth and laughs though the day, or maybe prefers more traditionally "civil" interactions?

Does anything in particular offend you/ strike you badly?

How do you best learn and teach others?

If you were the boss, what would be the top 3 things that you'd do differently?

What are things that you like about how things are going?

You can always talk to me about what is on your mind. I love getting feedback. It makes the workplace more effective, comfortable and safe. There will never be any repercussions for feedback.

My door is always open.

I am open to agreeing to disagree if we have different opinions/ values?

What I want is a workplace that everyone feels safe, and we can be productive and perform high quality work at a fair price, so we all win--employer/ employee/ customer/ and all the future customers from our great referrals and references.

I'm open to debate topics, and anyone should be able to say, "Let's stop talking about this now. I'd rather switch subjects".



Make sure that nobody is scapegoated and that employees always know that they can come to you with any issues, and you will do your best to resolve them fairly, independent of your personal feeling on it/ judiciously.



ArchDruid--you are a funny guy!
 
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Do onto others as you would have them to do unto you. A basic selfish way of being.

The true golden rule is not selfish like this.

Do onto others as they would have you do unto them if they have a choice. This is selfless. I always thought it strange how the typical Golden rule is so selfish.

If I hate being treated in a way that you love to be treated, is it kind to do unto me in a way that I hate, just because you love it? I'll really be interested to see the answers to this question. I think that this has just been beaten into people's heads so hard that they don't THINK about it, just follow along.

It is a self-interested motivation because we figure that others will do back onto us as we do onto them. Kindness, treachery, lying, honesty, generosity, etc.

People that are kind will do onto others without expecting to be done for in the same way. Selflessly. I think that a lot of people are kind. You see this when someone gives a beggar something. No expected return. No pat on the back. No expectation of reciprocity.

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Good point. Yup, I never looked at the words closely like you have.

I wonder if the original sentence in it's original language might have been worded more carefully. Such as something like; Do unto others as they would prefer you do unto them.

Again I'll say, you have a good point.

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I'm not sure if he missed a point of the passage.

It seems to be not so much about one thing in exchange for an other.

But confrontational.

Many folks who paraphrase the section, omit an important word "all".

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Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them

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