helmet cam, climbing a big dead tree FUN FUN FUN

The breakaway lanyard was mentioned, and not the type you were using, a worn out piece of equipment that should have been retired a long time ago.
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Once you have the high line set, you know if the tree falls, you don't want to be attached to it, so you design a lanyard that breaks away before your high line, but still allows it to be used for work positioning.

This presents a possible conflict with ANSI standards that require you tie in twice.
 
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By the way, why dont some other folks post a helmut cam of "PERFECT" tree work. AND NO EDITS!!!!
betcha you cant!!!
Or if you could we would need to wait a few years for the intenet speeds to catchup, because for you to do PERFECT tree work with no edits you video would be way LONG!!!!

(waiting for all your rigging, knotting and such)


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You asked for the real comments then you started pounding your chest.

You are a big fish in a small pond. Sorry if others out here in the ocean aren't too impressed.

You have posted 2 videos both showing judgement that was mediocre at best. Kudos to you for having the bravery to post them, we all respect that and you for doing so. But if you shake your own stick, I have to be honest and say that if I want to see tree work done with mediocre judgement, I don't have to wait for a down load, I can just watch the guys working down the street in about any neighborhood.

Cool vid and thanks for sharing, but before being offended by attitudes, check your own.

Keep up the good work, keep videoing and stay safe!!

That vid was more proof of what and "expert" is - an "ex" is something that was and a "spurt" is just a drip under pressure.
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The link doesn't work anymore. Looks like he took his ball and went home.

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The team effort worked.
 
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Dont you mean small fish in big pond Nathan

1800TREEEXPERT, it appears that you have now taken all of your videos off the site, I never even got chance to view them.

It is unfortunate that you feel upset by the comments, but having read them and not seen the video's, I honestly believe you've taken them totally the wrong way. I see nothing malicious or personal whatsoever.

It is already obvious that you love your job and is commendable that you have the courage to post your vids at the risk of recieving a baptism of fire.

Just ask yourself this, if you saw something dangerous takeing place on a job, prehaps involving one of your workers, how would you deal with the situation? Would you apply the softly, softly approach? Or would you make dam sure that the persons involved truly understood the seriousness of the situation and the potential FATAL concequences. I would hope you would choose the latter.
Should be exactly the same priciple on this forum

Blaster as you call him may sound like a mean old ba$tard, (Ive seen a picture of him and this might just be the case
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), but you should never discard that kind of experience/expetise, whether its form be critisism or complement.

He who listens learns buddy, so take it on the chin and get over it. We've all been on the recieving end at some point so don't go feeling like a target.

If youre vids are indeed as procarious as the comments suggest then please do the right thing and re-submit them. Material of this kind is invaluable for reference, not only for students, but also as a reminder to keep even the most seasoned practitioners on their toes. Don't go away now.
 
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The team effort worked.

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Treeco stop being a turd in the salad bowl. Grow up, punk!
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The thing to watch on the highline is the angle/tightness of the highline. You need some "V" in it so that you aren't overly stressing/loading the highline. It can put quite a load on the line and on the rigging points.

THanks for posting the video...folks are offering up what they see as possible safety concerns. That is good for all of us...different folks see different things based upon their particular experience. Don't let 'em get to you...it's good for everybody to share this stuff.
 
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The thing to watch on the highline is the angle/tightness of the highline. You need some "V" in it so that you aren't overly stressing/loading the highline. It can put quite a load on the line and on the rigging points.



[/ QUOTE ]I attached a picture of Gord from this site, I hope he doesn't mind. It shows him properly taking down a dead tree. The high line is up in the two evergreens.

The only concern I would have is the side loading of those evergreens. There is a nice "V", so it looks like he took that into consideration, as well as the strength of the two trees.
He could have (and may have) spiraled the rope down the spar, so if the top did break out, the high line would still be as high as the point the tree broke off.
 

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An appolory to the board.

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Cool vid and thanks for sharing, but before being offended by attitudes, check your own

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Guys,

I have to appologize for being prideful.
I came into yalls forum with a cocky attitude thinking I would impress yall. Instead I got a diffrent response than I was looking for.
It was wrong for me to do that. For that i appologize.

I indeed have learned some valuable lessons after posting my vid.

I will also in the future post some others. (however I am not going to blab my mouth about my company name on it
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SO again guys, I am sorry. I need to make it right with you . My attitude was poor.

I look forward to learning Lots more here!
 
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You're good, Mark...great attitude. You have my respect.

This whole topic has led to some great discussions...in fact, I have another question for Mike...something I have never heard of before:

"He could have (and may have) spiraled the rope down the spar, so if the top did break out, the high line would still be as high as the point the tree broke off. "

Mike, please explain about spiraling the rope down the spar...you mean the supporting trees, right? I have never heard of this...but then, I have never seen high lines discussed in any books before.
 
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Gary, and Mike.

By spiraling the tight line down the tree to where it is tied off on each tree, that would effectively mean it would still be holding somewhat if a top broke. Of course there would be slack introduced into the system by the amount that the top broke.

Mike, seeing Gord's pic and the size of the anchor trees, tells me that if he was tied in at 8-9 inches or more on each tree, the strength of each would be more than adequate. In fact, it would be plenty to allow for lowering 200-300 pound sections as long as the line angle of the tight line was at least 145 degrees or so, 180 being straight.....Also, if Gord had a lifeline in each, instead of working off a tight line, then he could have been tied in at, say, 5 inches diameter on each tree.

I have a quick release that I use for my Big Shot that would be perfect for adding between a flip line snap and a d-ring. Have never used it, but have had situations where it would have helped. This tree would have been one of them.



Very good thread guys,though we need to offer polite constructive criticism, in an effort to improve everyone's knowledge and thus, safe working habits.

good of you to come back Mark. I'm sure you realize that there are many arborists here with many many years of experience, and that are highly respected and well known throughout the industry. There is more to learn and more to learn from on TreeBuzz than the other boards put together. I'm as old or older than everyone here, that I know of, have been climbing for 32 years, and have surely learned more here than anywhere else.
 
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What are you calling a double tie in? Two different ropes, set in two different trees?
 
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Gary, and Mike.

By spiraling the tight line down the tree to where it is tied off on each tree, that would effectively mean it would still be holding somewhat if a top broke. Of course there would be slack introduced into the system by the amount that the top broke.

Mike, seeing Gord's pic and the size of the anchor trees, tells me that if he was tied in at 8-9 inches or more on each tree, the strength of each would be more than adequate. In fact, it would be plenty to allow for lowering 200-300 pound sections as long as the line angle of the tight line was at least 145 degrees or so, 180 being straight.....Also, if Gord had a lifeline in each, instead of working off a tight line, then he could have been tied in at, say, 5 inches diameter on each tree.



[/ QUOTE ]I appreciate your comments, and agree with most of your post, as usual.
The two drawings I posted showed, or had comments abut the possibility of the top snapping of due to the huge side loads even a 200 pound load can generate to a speed line or high line.
I've noticed that pictures of your work rarely, if ever, show the use of guy ropes. The loads on a speedline are so much higher from typical doubled rope systems we use to climb trees or lower limbs because of the perpendicular orientation of the load to the tree.
You threw out numbers and diameters, but how can you tell if there are any internal flaws in either of those trees?
What safety factor are you using to come up with the weights?
Lowering a piece of wood, so as not to damage some lawn, should be handled differently than a human load.
When you rig a system, try to think: is that's the system you'd use if you were going to send your brother, best freind, co-worker, or child up with? If not, what are you doing wrong, and how can you correct it?

Anyway, it's good to see Tree Expert back. I take back some of the bad things I was thinking of him.
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It seems kinda cumbersome working with two ropes in that manner. Using a highline would allow you to use only one climbing rope.
 
Repost the video

It would be great for those who just came in on the discussion to re post the video. Sounds cool. It would be nice to see it.

Oh, and don't worry about these sharks biting your head off. Come to the ISA convention in Honalulu in July.

You'll see they're just a bunch of pussycats.
 
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