helmet cam, climbing a big dead tree FUN FUN FUN

Well man..you have gahoonahs indeed but...I am no expert nor will I ever know it all. But there are some very serious safty concerns. Just because you are physically adept enought to climb as you did (mentaly clear as well so it seems) does not mean that you have no room for improvment.
The tree you were tied into looked to be a bit far away.
If there is NO safe tie in point..then the crane is handy as hell and for a tree like that id geus hed only be there an hour or less assumming you were not using the crane to load logs and such...would have been a quickie.

The flip line has nicks....not to alarming to me . Along with lots of hardwoods..i have done thousands of palms and know that nicks are inevitable BUT REMEBER THIS....this stihl your using will cut through that in 2 secs or less

ONE more thing....I would have been more concerned about the tree failing at the base....didnt seem like ya had a good plan to bail if ya had to.

Im sure you have more experience than me (or mabey knot) :)
I would have kept my big mouth shut had you called yourself an expert.

sorry if I offended.....all and all i was very impressed withyour skill and think you should do an updated version including all the sound advise that i see you are getting on here :)
 
Well, Im not impressed.
I think you took a bad situation with the intention of making it better, and put yourself at risk.

Why not a high line between 2 adjacent trees, or at least a second tie in?
And that definantly is a tree that would warrant a breakaway lanyard!



Sorry for being critical, but just posting that here may give others (newbs) the idea that your approach to that tree was safe, when in fact it was not.

but at least you impressed yourself, and thats what counts right?
 
Please don't take offense but I am burning your videos and creating a library to show to my guys on the absolute wrong way to do treework/removals.

Please read every post on this great site and work them into your routine. Attend seminars at the various expos also, try to learn something safe every day. No one wants to read about you in the paper.
 
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http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=8&scid=107&pid=709

I have this for vids on the bike. I have not had a chance yet to use it on the bike but we did get some shots of sledding and works well so far.

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I tried the itc 1000 it was terrible stay away from that.
Post your sled vids!!
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Just another thought on the poplar. Install a rope from the ground first to do a pull test. Not 100% but another simple test on soundness to add.
 
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Well, Im not impressed.
I think you took a bad situation with the intention of making it better, and put yourself at risk.

Why not a high line between 2 adjacent trees, or at least a second tie in?
And that definantly is a tree that would warrant a breakaway lanyard!



Sorry for being critical, but just posting that here may give others (newbs) the idea that your approach to that tree was safe, when in fact it was not.

but at least you impressed yourself, and thats what counts right?

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Please don't take offense but I am burning your videos and creating a library to show to my guys on the absolute wrong way to do treework/removals.

Please read every post on this great site and work them into your routine. Attend seminars at the various expos also, try to learn something safe every day. No one wants to read about you in the paper.


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"If you aint got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."



That is all I can say.
 
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No bivy,
you are the first. I was wondering if anyone would id the tree. You are right it was a popular.


I could have set a highline. THat would have been a better Idea.

I did realize that if I fell, it would have been bad.
 
"If you aint got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." I agree it puts a person in defensive mind instead of an open learning attitude. That should be our objective here.
 
Could you guys shed a little lite on the subject. Breakaway lanyard? I own a steel core and a 3 strand flipline. I wouldn't consider either a break away. Also the highline. Obviously between 2 healthy trees byt what would you use for the midline connection point? Prussics with a pulley, butterfly knot with a pulley? Just looking for a few pointers.
 
you hit the nail on the head allmark, we are all about helping who are willing to take it, no show offs here.

If you can have an open mind, then you should absorb all the years of experience there is up for grabs.

That dead Tulip would not have bothered me. It was a bomber. If I were to hang the top off a false crotch, then that is a different story.

The shredded gut strap would scare me as well as the 026 with the high idle.

Please take our criticism not offensively, but seriously, we have been there for a while doing exactly what you do.
 
ATTENTION ALL CRITICS!!!!!!

You know what,

It dosent make me feel very good when people say mean stuff.

SO if you have somthing mean to say, please dont.

It hurts.

Mark
THE 1-800-Tree-Expert
 
shredded strap and break away lanyard

I have seen A LOT of comments on the cuts in my strap.

"The flip line has nicks....not to alarming to me . Along with lots of hardwoods..i have done thousands of palms and know that nicks are inevitable BUT REMEBER THIS....this stihl your using will cut through that in 2 secs or less"

So I am honestly curious.

has anyone ever heard of a story of someone cutting through a steel core flip line?

Also there was mention of a breakaway lanyard earlier.

I am really interested in that.

Before this tree I went online to try to find somthing and i couldnt. all I found were thoes key chain things they give you at seminars for name tags.
 
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The nicks in your lanyard are the least of MY concerns.
 
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So I am honestly curious.

has anyone ever heard of a story of someone cutting through a steel core flip line?

Also there was mention of a breakaway lanyard earlier.



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I've heard of wire core flip lines being cut through but I don't know of anyone this has happened to.

The break away lanyard is along the idea of a break away chain saw lanyard. A weak link like a loop made of throw line goes in series with your lanyard. It should break with about a 250 or so pound load. The idea is if the whole tree fails you go down until the link breaks and then you are caught on other fall protection lines like the 'high line' between other trees. Hopefully a trusted belayer on the ground is always at the ready to catch you in a big fall and slow your desent to the ground.

https://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwieb.pvx?;sc_step1
Notice the snap in this chainsaw lanyard breaks at 200lbs. This is so if the saw gets hung in heavy wood it breaks free of the climber. The bungee part of this saw lanyard would not apply to the break away idea being discussed.
 
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TreeCo, thanks for the break away lanyard idea, it seems so simple, it just never occured to me. Cool!

I've never used the floating tie in either, wouldn't mind knowing about that too.

Mark, keep the videos coming, this forum is a great resource, the amount that can we can all learn will certainly outweigh the few lumps we might get along the way.

WP
 
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Breakaway lanyard = VT that will slide off the end(pete McTree's idea) Or get ready to cut that sucka!

Hind sight is 20/20, explore the highline a bit more next time, but you get to live this time!!!
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"If you aint got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
That is all I can say.

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You see a fellow arborist needlessly risking his life, and all you worry about are his feelings???
I don't get it.

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There hasn't been one mean spirited comment here so far. What you have interpreted as mean is genuine concern. Stiffen up that quivering upper lip, pay attention, and you'll learn some important safety lessons!

Start with the above attachment, it's just a simple drawing of what a guyed tree looks like. It's an old drawing I did a few years ago, but coincedentally looks just like your tree.

This is what you should have done first, set the guy ropes with a throw ball. Once the rope is up the tree, you can pull on the rope and give the tree a bit of a test.

Many times two ropes work, tied back against the lean. Pull the rope through the crotch, tie a midline loop, and you can run the loop up to the tree. In just two or three minutes you have two guys hanging out of the tree with one rope.

If you need three guys, pull two ropes up with the throw line, one gets a simple running bowline, on the other uses the running mid-line loop.

Once the guys are set, you can often break a tree apart from the ground using a throwball. If nothing else, the tree won't fall because the loads are now running straight down the guys and straight down the tree.

Think about where limbs and the top will come down, arrange the guys appropriately.

My next post will be on a high line.
 

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Here's another simple drawing. The center tree is not safe to climb, the right and left trees are sound.
To set it up, stand inbetween the two good trees with a throwball and toss it through the crown, pull one end through and repeat on the other good tree. Tie a mid-line loop and attach your climbing line. Pull the high line tight, as you do, adjust the loop location to suit your needs.
The high line doesn't need to be level, just through strong crotches. Notice in the drawing I have the tails go out at an angle, instead of straight down the host tree. This transfers loads more straight down the tree, which gives it greater strength.
 

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