Girl question here - Undergarments

an entire womens forum would seem a little empty, but i am only basing that on how many women i have seen around here (only 4, including myself, so far) but i haven't been around long.
plus i'm not even an arborist and i have never met another woman rigger so i have never had chicks to talk about that kind of stuff with.. so i don't know but either way ..i ain't afraid of no boys
 
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I like Kathy's idea.
I'll make an effort to "step up to the plate more often" and post.
Sometimes, though, I just enjoy watching THE SHOW!
-Diane-
 
A couple of weeks ago JZ sent me an email to ask if Mark and I would consider setting up a separate women's forum on Treebuzz. Not a bad idea and I sent back a couple of questions to consider.

I can't find a copy of that email but I think that what I asked was along these lines:

How have women been accepted/treated/recieved at TB?
Would it be for registered women only?
Could men post?
Is there enough women-specific issues that couldn't be posted on the existing forums to setup a separate forum?
If a women-only forum is setup then would we setup a forum for rookie climbers/Geezers...etc. Factionalizing rather than including doesn't seem like a great idea. Are we all arborists?

Oh...and if this does come to pass...Kathy will be the only Moderator she has standing and no one else.

Give me some feedback.
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Kathy, I wasn't referring to "that" show I was referring to all of TreeBuzz and that I enjoy all the information, all the learning and all the occasional fun. Sometimes clarity is an issue with this type of communicating.
-Diane-
 
Here are the notes that were requested to be completed:
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Has there been any ill treatment of women on TB?
Are there specific topics that need a different forum for exploration?
Could those topics be addressed in the existing forums?
This could have a wide precedent. Would there be a reason to start a rookie or geezer forum?
Would participation be limited to women? What rules/guidelines would be suggested?

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I did not answer them as I would have only told of my experiences, I instead posted, my question about undergarments. (notice i never type that three letter word)

I do feel that most of the questions we have, (gals) can be answered in the current formuns, BUT some of us do not feel comfortable doing that. <font color="red"> YA </font> the guys can be bit intimidating at times and some comments and attachments can be unwelcome to those of use that embarrassed easy (me). (Whiz and Kathy can attest to that). I will also say that before I started this tread, I knew of 7 women that also made themselve known by posting on TB in other forums. Now I know of four more, Welcome to you all.

I have searched the internet for a women climber forum and have yet to find one that has the amount if users and the expertise and posts/threads, that I have found here on TB. With more women moving into the Production side of tree work and more into the Recreational side. I see this as a chance to bring them, women, out of the trees and onto the forum, there is a wealth of knowledge out there.

TreeBuzz is an established site, well known with worldwide members and a lot of history, I see this as opening the door.

my buck two eighty nines worth of words.

jz - see you in a tree - supported now in comfort
 
Kathy,
I think that it is a good idea. I work with guys day in and day out and don't get me wrong I love my job and all of the guys I work with. But it would be really nice to have some woman in the industry to talk with.

Best,
Marcy
 
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excellent! then we can look forward to hearing more from you :).


if anyone is offended or intimidated by a post on the forum, there is always the option of sending one of the moderators a pm. we are here to keep the tone civil and the information flowing..
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How about a whole thread about how I am looking for two more brave women competitors for the Charlotte Arborists Association's TCC on April 19 and 20?

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so does that mean you found 3 already? rockin!
k.
 
I am really really sorry that the guys have twisted this into something which is not friendly.


would it be good to have a women's forum that no one else could see?

For me, I am always ready to learn new ways of doing my job and it could very well be a loss to not be able to at least read what was going on in a women's forum...


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I'm with Jersey Girl, I'd really like to see a way where we get women in the door so to speak, but I still understand Kathy's point and how creating a special forum for women might send the wrong message.

I certainly wouldn't want to sacrifice ourselves putting us in a position of being special or having special needs, since the point is we want to be equal and we want to all just be considered Arborists or tree loving folks.

But what my original thought was to have a forum where Women Of The Trees Members could connect. Last year in Hawaii when I went to the Women's Luncheon where Kiah &amp; Wenda spoke about WOTT, I was really inspired. Unfortunately I think the group is having a little trouble communicating, so I'm kind of disapointed because I was really seeking that type of connection.

By having a sepperate forum and perhaps even giving the opportunity for people to ID themselves as WOTT members in our signatures or ID markers, I think that would help revive the WOTT group so they can continue on with their mission of getting more women involved. For those of you that don't know the group, check out this site and their mission: http://isaac.org.au/wott/

I have 30+ women and growing that would definately frequent the site so I don't think it would take long before you had some good discussions. Plus it would be a great way to introduce women to Tree Buzz through groups like the one I have started in the Western Chapter. We just need a place to talk because the e-mail thing isn't working to well.

Oh, and of course I think guys should be welcome, just like they are welcome to be WOTT members. I was kidding about the need to have a body guard since I know the moderators do a good job of keeping us all in check, including the ladies! I'd be happy to volunteer to moderate myself if more are needed.

Well, sorry I blabbed on so long. I'm just really passionate about it. I'll also try and be braver about adding my thoughts into threads. I just don't know the regular TB crowd and sometimes I feel like if I butt in I'm interupting a family discussion. Hopefully someday I'll get to know more people and learn who is who. The alias thing is confusing.

Jersey Girl: Thanks again for putting this post out there!

To all: I'm glad we're talking about this, so thanks for everyone putting in their thoughts!

-Rhonda Wood from Covina CA
 
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For me, I am always ready to learn new ways of doing my job and it could very well be a loss to not be able to at least read what was going on in a women's forum...


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what an awesome attitude. thanks for that frans.

when i first started doing treework, i was ridiculously gung-ho to prove myself and would lift anything or do any task i could figure out. and i remember this one golf-course job where we had taken down some huge cottonwoods and all the firewood had to be loaded by hand. i picked up something pretty big and was going to heft it up on another piece, probably hurting myself in the process. this 75 yr old guy who was loading with us, as it was his truck, said "nah nah..do it this way" and showed me how to roll the round up to another round, tip it slightly so the 2nd round took most of its weight, and leverage it against that round until it was level and i could shove it all the way on top. i never forgot that moment.

my point is this: smaller or less powerful people have to find ways to accomplish tasks that larger people just use muscle for. most women are smaller than most men, muscularly - of course with exceptions in both directions. i've been told that women who are rockclimbers tend to have a flow and finesse not quite as common among men because they HAVE to, have to find ways to do things that don't rely on sheer power.

which is a longer way of saying the old "work smarter not harder". who knows what all you (probably mostly smaller) women lurking here have to teach the (probably mostly larger) guys.
 
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[...]i've been told that women who are rockclimbers tend to have a flow and finesse not quite as common among men because they HAVE to, have to find ways to do things that don't rely on sheer power.

which is a longer way of saying the old "work smarter not harder". who knows what all you (probably mostly smaller) women lurking here have to teach the (probably mostly larger) guys.

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Same is true in whitewater paddling. Women, as a group, are better at reading water than men because they have to find that perfect line. Men can blow a line and still hack and power through most stuff (desperately sometimes, not pretty). Top girl paddlers hit their lines, you almost never see'em miss. I've always enjoyed watching women's slalom more than men's, it's just smoother, more in tune with the river... it's flows better.

Someone said that tree climbing is, in large part, the business of conserving energy. If that's true, we can all learn a lot from women who use a greater proportion of balance and awareness to supplement bulk muscle.
 
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