Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Matias said:
I was thinking that community service would be better than an actual cash punishment. I think it should be enough hours to really compel people from any income bracket to actually go and fulfill their civic duty, but if you really don't want to vote for whatever reason, you should get out their and do some work for your community and contribute in some way you feel is meaningful. And I do think it should be a significant burden, because voting isn't, and by not voting, you make the process inherently less democratic. I suggested earlier maybe 2000 hours of servivce, with 4 years to complete it. You should still have the write in option too, so you can even cast a protest vote for literally anybody. and reasonable accomodations should be made, like they do in Australia, which does have mandatory voting.
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I like my idea better. Kinda like parenting, rewards vs punishment. Save the heavy hand for when it’s needed.
That and it’s interesting what Musk did. Just like the prohibition make incentive voting legal fair and legal if it’s the government that does it but save the heavy hand for other.
 
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JontreeHI said:
Also, what laws condone murder?
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Great ‘seeing’ you again Jon. Not arguing but being very literal.
Laws that condone murder can be many things. The most blatant being the death penalty.

Then repressive laws leading to mental health (and physical) health anguish, leading to suicide…

Not to mention the cases where abortive care is a lifesaving procedure. The lack of the abortion leads to the murder of the mother, and in other cases a more developed non viable child/baby/fetus. I cannon fathom the horror of knowing the fetus inside my body is a terminal death sentence. (Obviously if I had those parts). It would be excruciating enough loosing the fetus.
 
JontreeHI said:
Also, what laws condone murder? I’m trying to get what you’re saying there but I can’t figure it out.
In your example, how would someone be handled who refused mandated voting, and also refused the 50$ fine? The next step is either over reach (we’re there already in my opinion), or for the govt to give up because the law isn't enforceable, and so then it’s irrelevant, and why did we waste time and money on it in the first place?
Participation is either willful, or coerced. I’m not sure if there’s any grey area there but there could be.
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Check stand your ground laws or castle doctrine. You could argue self-defense, but it's been used in less obvious scenarios.

I mean if you don't pay the fine then I guess you're really showing you want no part of democracy or freedom and are willing to let others decide things for you. Apathy is the American way after all.
 
Matias said:
I was thinking that community service would be better than an actual cash punishment. I think it should be enough hours to really compel people from any income bracket to actually go and fulfill their civic duty, but if you really don't want to vote for whatever reason, you should get out their and do some work for your community and contribute in some way you feel is meaningful. And I do think it should be a significant burden, because voting isn't, and by not voting, you make the process inherently less democratic. I suggested earlier maybe 2000 hours of servivce, with 4 years to complete it. You should still have the write in option too, so you can even cast a protest vote for literally anybody. and reasonable accomodations should be made, like they do in Australia, which does have mandatory voting.
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It just feels like we are blaming the voters for the shitty options. Listen, there’s nothing they want. That’s not their fault. If the machine wants votes, don’t suppress populist candidates like Sanders. Don’t let the money do the talking.

Compelling people to do anything they don’t want to do is just wrong in my opinion, as long as they aren’t harming someone. Autonomy is so dope!!
 
Matias said:
something about nearly half of the voting aged people in this country not participating doesn't sit right with me, so who's feelings are more valid? what is you material case against participating? Let me ask you point blank, did you vote?
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Make your candidate worth voting for and people will vote for them.

JD3000 said:
So my options were Captain Fuckwad Von Clownstick or Suzy Bleedingheart Elitist.

Screwed from the get go.
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^2016, taken from this thread. Lol
Screwed then, screwed now.
 
It seems pretty clear that if it somehow made it on the ballot, even with a superlative turnout, the result would be a resounding no on a level never seen. I have some ideas to chew on for a minute, and while not totally sure I wouldn't still go in favor of a mandate, I have read some thing here that give me significant pause.
 
Treezybreez said:
Well, more than in China, where there is only one party to “vote” for.
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for as partisan as american politics has become, the reality is that republican and democratic positions are not very different. mad the republican lost in any given year? wait eight to twelve years and the democrat will be running on their platform. like two weeks ago kamala harris was on cnn bragging that trump couldnt get his wall built and paid for by mexico, unlike biden and me doing the real work of anti-migrant legislation! if your concern is environmentalism, which party are you supposed to vote for? the democrats under obama continued to accelerate fossil fuel extraction until america became the biggest producer on the planet. biden opened vulnerable alaskan wetlands to an $8B oil project, the largest in the country. both biden and harris refused to ban fracking. talk of green energy from the democrats is cheap and history proves it. if your concern is climate change, you dont have a political option in america. if your concern is the administration supporting war and genocide, you dont have a political option in america. if your concern is the administration caging children at the border, you dont have a political option in america.

where is the democracy? clearly millions of american voters felt the same way and recognizing a false choice, didnt bother
 
They could at least vote for Oceans. Recent polling suggests that he is a far more viable candidate. I will continue to vote for Oceans; never had a write in that was easier to feel good about
 
Tom Dunlap said:
It’s not the greatest country
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Did he say the US ranks 7th globally in literacy? Not sure when this was filmed but I think it is actually far worse now. It should be easy to google various rating sources. Our own National Literacy Institute rates us at 36th place. UNESCO says we are 125th, although they may use a different criteria in making the assessment.
 
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