Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Matias said:
so, by your reasoning we should have heavy doubts that this was a fair and honest election?
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Good point. Maybe it is our turn to 'Stop the Steal' by someone who has already been shown to be both a felon and a traitor to this country and its constitution. But no, we are better than that. We respect the process, unlike those who have proven they don't. Anyway, Trump's win by a majority this time doesn't mean much when you consider the fickleness of the electorate. The country flipflops back and forth regularly, since just about anything that happens is somehow seen as the fault of a current president. So four more years' of Trump's incompetence will turn his temporary majority back into the minority it was before. The only thing regrettable is that he has less checks on him this time around and there will be permanent damage to the environment, our position and respect globally, and any possibillity of rebuilding unity in the country.
 
Burrapeg said:
Good point. Maybe it is our turn to 'Stop the Steal' by someone who has already been shown to be both a felon and a traitor to this country and its constitution. But no, we are better than that. We respect the process, unlike those who have proven they don't. Anyway, Trump's win by a majority this time doesn't mean much when you consider the fickleness of the electorate. The country flipflops back and forth regularly, since just about anything that happens is somehow seen as the fault of a current president. So four more years' of Trump's incompetence will turn his temporary majority back into the minority it was before. The only thing regrettable is that he has less checks on him this time around and there will be permanent damage to the environment, our position and respect globally, and any possibillity of rebuilding unity in the country.
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We'll see you back here in four years. It will be interesting.
 
27RMT0N said:
I don't think I've seen it mentioned here, but the 'first past the post/winner take all' voting system inevitably results in minority rule and/or a two party system. Ranked choice is an improvement over what most of us have today, but doesn't solve the underlying issue.

Here is a great video that explains it in simple terms, using animals so partisans don't get distracted....

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ranked choice is another PART of the solution, but without fractional representation, still amounts to a winner take all scenario with the potential for minority rule.
 
Here is one thing coming for sure. I wonder how many of these people at the bottom of the ladder voted for Trump? Oh, and Mr. Anti-Vax RFK Jr. in charge of health? Great idea. His own immediate family said he was a f*cking nutcase.

www.nbcnews.com

Millions at risk of losing health insurance after Trump's victory

Subsidies to buy insurance from the Affordable Care Act marketplaces are set to expire at the end of 2025. If they're not extended, coverage could become unaffordable for many.
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Because it's interesting to see voting results in such a small community, here is the current count in my heavily Democratic county.

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Burrapeg said:
Here is one thing coming for sure. I wonder how many of these people at the bottom of the ladder voted for Trump? Oh, and Mr. Anti-Vax RFK Jr. in charge of health? Great idea. His own immediate family said he was a f*cking nutcase.

www.nbcnews.com

Millions at risk of losing health insurance after Trump's victory

Subsidies to buy insurance from the Affordable Care Act marketplaces are set to expire at the end of 2025. If they're not extended, coverage could become unaffordable for many.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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But will they keep the penalty for not having insurance? Something tells me they'll forget that's a thing.
 
Regarding mail in voting.. I didn't realize you could even vote in person here. Previous 3 elections my mail in ballot was rejected because of a 'signature issue'. If there is any variation of your signature vs what they have on file they toss it out, I was never given the opportunity to 'cure' my ballot, and i was even reported to the district attorney one year (which I was never contacted).
 
27RMT0N said:
Yep, I can hear the growlers from my house ;)
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yeah..... don't get me started on the water table contamination, the old strafing grounds, or bombing grounds! One pilot went rouge when some of the protests over noise was happening and drew a cock'n'balls in the sky over town... Classy stuff eh?
 
evo said:
Regarding mail in voting.. I didn't realize you could even vote in person here. Previous 3 elections my mail in ballot was rejected because of a 'signature issue'. If there is any variation of your signature vs what they have on file they toss it out, I was never given the opportunity to 'cure' my ballot, and i was even reported to the district attorney one year (which I was never contacted).
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Yikes! Time for a talk with your representatives...or news media...or document it on YouTube.
 
so,
Mike Islander said:
2020? You can interpret what I quoted about 2020 above however you want.

I think all the fallout from 2020 greatly likely curtailed some of the shenanigans this year. In fact, there are some shenanigans that were quickly caught this year.

Things have changed. It's more difficult to cheat. But that's just my opinion. If there was massive shenanigans in favor of Trump I hope the liberal media will work as hard as conservatives did to call it out.
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it sounds like you don't care if this election was also stolen, because your guy won? you don't actually care if it was fair? wouldn't ypu want all the media from both sides to expose any and all malfeasance?
 
Willber said:
Regardless of the vote count compared to 2020 (btw, there was actually more votes), there was more Trump support in many northern Massachusetts counties vs. 2020, a significant number people commute from southern NH to Mass.
It wasn't much money at all, only time.
I cannot see a reason vote for a third party candidate. I know there is the principal of it, also building of the voting base, to gain momentum in the hopes it will catch on more yearly.

2020 in Nashua, NH, a Trump supporter was just watching the ballots been counted by 4 people, (3 were known democrats, one was a known republican), then shortly after the counting started he was asked to leave the room and if he didn't he would be arrested. He was allowed to be in the hallway, just not the room of counting.
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the vote count was not significantly different on the republican side. maybe some were swayed to vote trump, but a similar number were turned off by his bullshit. I apologize for using words that sounded like I meant 0 difference in numbers, but it was not a statistically significant change. And your time doesn't have value to you? I am sure you had fun though so, maybe call it a wash.
 
Concerning voting being mandatory, if it were, for some, it may become rote, and some may without thinking, vote for the candidate that is not as good for the country/world. It's better to not vote, than to vote for the less better candidate.

What absolutely should be FEDERAL LAW: Voting Day should be a mandatory no required work day from your employer.
If don't show up for work, that day, you legally cannot be fired, reprimanded, or even scolded, and obviously not written up.

One can logically 'complain' [many call criticism complaining, not true if it's honest criticism] about a president, even if they didn't vote.
It is our duty to appropriately offer honest criticism, and we as honest people should welcome even all/any criticism, for we should be insightful and self reflective, to make use of all criticisms.
 
Willber said:
Concerning voting being mandatory, if it were, for some, it may become rote, and some may without thinking, vote for the candidate that is not as good for the country/world. It's better to not vote, than to vote for the less better candidate.

What absolutely should be FEDERAL LAW: Voting Day should be a mandatory no required work day from your employer.
If don't show up for work, that day, you legally cannot be fired, reprimanded, or even scolded, and obviously not written up.

One can logically 'complain' [many call criticism complaining, not true if it's honest criticism] about a president, even if they didn't vote.
It is our duty to appropriately offer honest criticism, and we as honest people should welcome even all/any criticism, for we should be insightful and self reflective, to make use of all criticisms.
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I agree with you on several points. I like the idea that you can go to work on voting day if you want, especially since the polls are open prior to that one day, but the idea of it being a day to take off without reprecussion I like better than mandatory day off.

I also agree that intelligent criticism is different than complaining, but my beef is with the whiners who offer no valid criticism beyond "XYZ sucks/is an idiot/etc." or many other lame ass complaints about things that can be affected by voting on the issues and getting involved with the process.

Your case against mandatory voting is about as weak as they come though. Entirely hypothetical, and absolutely not a given. Even the potential for harm is fallacious, as it is no different than not voting if there really is a better and worse candidate, and it has been well discussed how not voting is as bad as voting for the "worse candidate". Both candidates had ple ty of bad things one could accurately say about them in this last round, but as I said, there is no singular solution. We need all the aforementioned changes to get even close to a "good system", and I surely haven't thought of everything.
Ranked Choice, PLUS Fractional Representation, PLUS Mandatory Voting, PLUS Real Time Voting, AND the abolition of the electoral college.
 
Matias said:
I agree with you on several points. I like the idea that you can go to work on voting day if you want, especially since the polls are open prior to that one day, but the idea of it being a day to take off without reprecussion I like better than mandatory day off.

I also agree that intelligent criticism is different than complaining, but my beef is with the whiners who offer no valid criticism beyond "XYZ sucks/is an idiot/etc." or many other lame ass complaints about things that can be affected by voting on the issues and getting involved with the process.

Your case against mandatory voting is about as weak as they come though. Entirely hypothetical, and absolutely not a given. Even the potential for harm is fallacious, as it is no different than not voting if there really is a better and worse candidate, and it has been well discussed how not voting is as bad as voting for the "worse candidate". Both candidates had ple ty of bad things one could accurately say about them in this last round, but as I said, there is no singular solution. We need all the aforementioned changes to get even close to a "good system", and I surely haven't thought of everything.
Ranked Choice, PLUS Fractional Representation, PLUS Mandatory Voting, PLUS Real Time Voting, AND the abolition of the electoral college.
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I’m not down with mandated voting. If I choose not to do I go to detention? How about incentivizing voting?
A tax credit? Sumthin fairly nominal like $200-500?
Obviously this would be fair, but objected to by the wealthy? One can think of it as a tax on those who don’t vote being passed to those who do!
 
evo said:
I’m not down with mandated voting. If I choose not to do I go to detention? How about incentivizing voting?
A tax credit? Sumthin fairly nominal like $200-500?
Obviously this would be fair, but objected to by the wealthy? One can think of it as a tax on those who don’t vote being passed to those who do!
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See guys, this is an idea in the right direction! Would that work to increase people's refund if eligble? That notion alone would drive every low income person to the polls! Next time, I may swing from Oceans to Evo!!
 
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