Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Excellent dodge, you're better at this than my neighbor. So, it sounds like your business probably pays its taxes, but what about personal income tax? Do we really need to pay those, or is that some kind of scam?
You call it a dodge..... I gave you facts. Now here's a ram. Do your own research instead of seeking info from a stranger on the net.

My point of speaking in this thread was of the division here, and in the rest of the nation.
We are falling so fast, we are plummeting.
My only desire is for the people to live freely and prosperous, while united.

I have no desire to bicker with you, or anyone else.
 
You call it a dodge..... I gave you facts. Now here's a ram. Do your own research instead of seeking info from a stranger on the net.

My point of speaking in this thread was of the division here, and in the rest of the nation.
We are falling so fast, we are plummeting.
My only desire is for the people to live freely and prosperous, while united.

I have no desire to bicker with you, or anyone else.
You may be misreading my tone, I don't mean to give the impression of bickering, I am genuinely eager to get what I bet will be the best put together versions of these ideas from someone who seems to be a very reasonable person who can have a respectful conversation about it. I want to maintain a separation between what I think about some ideas, and what I think about any given person. The neighbor that I have referred to us a good friend, and we still BBQ together. I don't think he's an idiot or an asshole or whatever childish crap, but I do think that a lot of good people have been lead to mistrust too much, and that only fosters more chaos and confusion, and keeps many feeling more separate from each other.

Can I just ask you bluntly if you consider yourself to be a free, independent sovereign or something similar? I don't want to argue semantics at this point, and I think you know what I am asking.
 
someone who seems to be a very reasonable person who can have a respectful conversation about it
I tried that several posts ago.
yourself to be a free, independent
I'll give you this, yes. The way we were all meant to be by our founding fathers.

My only desire is for the people to live freely and prosperous, while united.
Enough said. I am done with this, my friend. I do not say "friend'' loosely.
We are all brothers and sisters.
 
I'll give you this, yes. The way we were all meant to be by our founding fathers.
I get the impression that you've gone down this line of discussion with someone else, and didn't like where that conversation went. I am always open to discussing this separately, and remain open to changing my mind. Changing your mind is always an option brother. We're in this together.
 
Because taxes are a socialist scheme
Ok , So how are we going to pay for National Defense ? Infrastructures ? You have better ideas ?
Don't tell me Corporates gonna pay for it but those who works under being enslaved more than ever plz .

From my understanding ,

It is No.

Under socialism, all the productive enterprises are socially owned therefore there is no need for taxation. Understood, Mr. Smarty ?

It's not what you hear from internet or smart wannabes talking about it to you .
It's very clear cut.

In Socialism, there are no TAX.

Can you believe that mental shift ?

It ain't nothing like U.S....Coz U.S, and US allies countries ain't Socialist / communist countries
. You own what you own. You steal then you are Socialist communists in a way coz it ain't yours to begin with but thinking that you own it is Socialism communistic thinking actually .

So as taking advantages over people. Desteoyjng someone's stuff etc
It's pretty socialist/ communists way of thinking pretty much .

Progressive taxation is a corrective applied to capitalism, it has no meaning under socialism.

So , trying to gas lighting about Tax is Socialism ain't working here. Are we serious about make America great again for real or are we drunk and Jaded ?
 
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Ok , So how are we going to pay for National Defense ? Infrastructures ? You have better ideas ?
Don't tell me Corporates gonna pay for it but those who works under being enslaved more than ever plz .

From my understanding ,

It is No.

Under socialism, all the productive enterprises are socially owned therefore there is no need for taxation. Understood, Mr. Smarty ?

It's not what you hear from internet or smart wannabes talking about it to you .
It's very clear cut.

In Socialism, there are no TAX.

Can you believe that mental shift ?

It ain't nothing like U.S....Coz U.S, and US allies countries ain't Socialist / communist countries
. You own what you own. You steal then you are Socialist communists in a way coz it ain't yours to begin with but thinking that you own it is Socialism communistic thinking actually .

Stud quo So as taking advantages over people. Desteoyjng someone's stuff etc
It's pretty socialist/ communists way of thinking pretty much .

Progressive taxation is a corrective applied to capitalism, it has no meaning under socialism.

So , trying to gas lighting about Tax is Socialism ain't working here. Are we serious about make America great again for real or are we drunk and Jaded ?
It was meant as a joke lol. Just a stab at all the Trumpers whipping out socialist rhetoric everytime something that threatens the status quo comes up.
 
I have no problem at all paying my fair share of taxes. What I would like is more transparency on where those dollars are being spent. Way too much of it is squandered on bureaucracy and inaction. Hell, I'd even pay MORE taxes if I knew it was going to a good place.

We get universal health care in Canada, but it's far from perfect. Nurses are underpaid, hospitals are understaffed, ER and surgery wait times are too long. Dental and vision care are inexplicably excluded, as if having the ability to chew food and see things aren't part of your overall health. And mental health services are basically like playing Russian roulette.

Child care costs are insane in most places. Post-secondary education is needlessly expensive. Seniors live in poverty after working their entire lives. Public transportation is a fucking gong show.

I would pay more taxes to have all these things made free, or at least made available at a substantially reduce cost of what it currently is.

They benefit me (and society) more than having extra police officers, larger prisons, or a fucking $500 million fighter jet. I don't need a 5 bedroom 4 bathroom house with 3 cars and an 80" flat screen in every room to be happy. I want to know that me, my family, and everyone around me are being given the best possible chance at a good life. But then I suppose that depends on what your definition of a good life is.....
 
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I have no problem at all paying my fair share of taxes. What I would like is more transparency on where those dollars are being spent. Way too much of it is squandered on bureaucracy and inaction. Hell, I'd even pay MORE taxes if I knew it was going to a good place.

We get universal health care in Canada, but it's far from perfect. Nurses are underpaid, hospitals are understaffed, ER and surgery wait times are too long. Dental and vision care are inexplicably excluded, as if having the ability to chew food and see things aren't part of your overall health. And mental health services are basically like playing Russian roulette.

Child care costs are insane in most places. Post-secondary education is needlessly expensive. Seniors live in poverty after working their entire lives. Public transportation is a fucking gong show.

I would pay more taxes to have all these things made free, or at least made available at a substantially reduce cost of what it currently is.

They benefit me (and society) more than having extra police officers, larger prisons, or a fucking $500 million fighter jet. I don't need a 5 bedroom 4 bathroom house with 3 cars and an 80" flat screen in every room to be happy. I want to know that me, my family, and everyone around me are being given the best possible chance at a good life. But then I suppose that depends on what your definition of a good life is.....
"Dental and vision care are inexplicably excluded, as if having the ability to chew food and see things aren't part of your overall health....."

I must say this is very true. And I don't understand why they are doing this way.
 
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WORDS MATTER

Despite my unwavering respect and gratitude for the January 6th Committee, I found its final hearing to be disappointing—mostly because of the sloppy editing of what should have been one concerted message. Meaning, that every word should have sounded like it was written by one person (and that would have been a god (or Lincoln), to my liking); instead, the presentation was filled with repetition and vague, noncommittal sound bites.

Potentially, I doubt that the worldwide audience will soon again prove to be more receptive than it was on Monday when eagerly awaiting a well-timed, well-written, climactic political and historical reckoning and summoning. We should have heard the unapologetic, rallying cry of patriots—and should have been made to leap to our feet with an overwhelming hunger for justice. The heroic Jan. 6th Committee should have been carried down the street on our shoulders, with ticker-tape showing the way. The morning’s newspapers should have been filled with distain toward trump, and an insatiable thirst for his arrest. Instead, this “historical” news barely made the front page. Why? Because of poor writing and editing.

Better editing could have inspired listeners with a clear distinction between right and wrong, and infallible evidence of who committed the crimes. I would have named those in Congress who failed to honor subpoenas, as that might have provided at least a hint of the social castigation that they deserve. Some speakers (Thompson, Cheney, and Raskin) did bring forth the necessary gravitas, while others' repetitive statements only muddied the waters. To my mind, they should have chosen one speaker to deliver the entire message, and left out the sound bites that only disrupted the primary message.

Why does this piss me off so much? Because much of the world was aching to be energized by words worthy of a granite monument, but instead heard a disconcerted whimper from these all-to-rare, unquestionable heroes who—while having theretofore exerted themselves to awe-inspiring effect—were ultimately unable to refine the most important speech of our lives. It left me, and I’m sure billions around the world, feeling numb and unmotivated, when we should have been hearing powerful echoes of our forebears’ unassailable truths.

For an example, I point to Michigan's Senator Mallory McMorrow, who's speech tore apart her Trumpian, election-denying, trolling adversary by standing tall and making statements like, “Yes, my family was seldom seen in church on Sundays because we were out delivering food to the needy.” Bravery, courage, integrity, self-assuredness, unapologetic opinions—they’re what people need and want. That single (perfect) speech has brought her increasing public acclaim and calls for her to seek higher office. It’s too bad the Jan. 6 Committee didn’t ask her to write its conclusions.

Now, we can only hope that the Committee’s actual report provides the DOJ and muckrakers with enough coherent evidence to end trump’s reign of terror.
 
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