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Agreed but you knew that
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arborandearth
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I actually think the 2 party, winner take all system fuels this stuff. In some countries they distribute power based on percentage of popular vote - if far right candidate gets 10% of the vote then they get to have 10% of power. If we had real difference between multiple party platforms and they could earn some semblance of representation, I think it could tone down and diffuse the extremes.
arborandearth
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Reform I'd suggest:
1. Constitutional amendment that declares corporation s aren't people and can't lobby, run super PACs, or endorse candidates.
2. Mandatory voting laws with the election day off and minimal (think parking ticket) fine for not voting and can be worked off in a day of community service. A non of the above or write in could be an option
3. Some sort of system that enables 3rd and 4th party to be represented in at least the senate and the house.
4. Term limits on Justices
5. Puerto Rico and DC become a state
1. Constitutional amendment that declares corporation s aren't people and can't lobby, run super PACs, or endorse candidates.
2. Mandatory voting laws with the election day off and minimal (think parking ticket) fine for not voting and can be worked off in a day of community service. A non of the above or write in could be an option
3. Some sort of system that enables 3rd and 4th party to be represented in at least the senate and the house.
4. Term limits on Justices
5. Puerto Rico and DC become a state
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How will this midnight news be spun by morning coffee time?
Positive tests are going 'round the White House.
Positive tests are going 'round the White House.
arborandearth
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SMH...what a rollercoaster.
Burrapeg
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Midnight Pacific time - front page Seattle Times says Trump just tweeted he and Melania both have the virus. I would not wish this damn stuff on anyone but this is justice for sure, karma coming home to roost.
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No, silly...Obama always.
Burrapeg
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He has lied so much, this may be a lie also, to win sympathy and distract after his monumental hose-up at the debate? I simply don't believe anything the man says at this point.
Burrapeg
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No surprise here. What other kind of woman could stand the guy?
www.thedailybeast.com
Melania Whines in Secret Recording: ‘Who Gives a F*ck?’
When describing her feelings on questions about the Trump administration’s immigrant family separation policy, the first lady added, “Give me a f--king break.”
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I for one hope they both have a speedy recovery. Politics don't weigh in here on this matter.
Completely agree Mark..I genuinely hope that Trump and all the others that will surely be swept up in this super spreader event come out of it unscathed..
Senator Mike Lee (R) just tested positive for Covid, and he was meeting with the new SOTUS nominee this week (unmasked of coarse).
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/utah-sen-mike-lee-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-2020-10-02
https://www.ksl.com/article/5002301...rt-nominee-amy-coney-barrett-romney-scheduled
That being said, this was inevitable because we have a president who has spent the last 10 months lying to the American people about the deadly and contagious nature of this virus. Idiocracy of the highest order.....
I would like to personally thank Mark, Tom, Greg, and the others for quickly and effectively dealing with the malignant tumor that recently infested TreeBuzz. They seem to have given up very quickly which kinda worries me...Stay tuned and stand by..
Senator Mike Lee (R) just tested positive for Covid, and he was meeting with the new SOTUS nominee this week (unmasked of coarse).
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/utah-sen-mike-lee-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-2020-10-02
https://www.ksl.com/article/5002301...rt-nominee-amy-coney-barrett-romney-scheduled
That being said, this was inevitable because we have a president who has spent the last 10 months lying to the American people about the deadly and contagious nature of this virus. Idiocracy of the highest order.....
I would like to personally thank Mark, Tom, Greg, and the others for quickly and effectively dealing with the malignant tumor that recently infested TreeBuzz. They seem to have given up very quickly which kinda worries me...Stay tuned and stand by..
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I don't have a NYT subscription. A sociology professor I know does and he shares so many relative articles.
After getting past the snickers about plots and conspiracies its good to take a breath and look forward. This article helped me take in that view
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AVOID CONSPIRATORIAL THINKING AND KARMA EXPLANATIONS . .
"Defiant, Now Infected: Trump Is a Morality "
The president has the coronavirus. Let’s learn from that Frank Bruni, Oct. 2, New York Times
I couldn’t help thinking that.
I couldn’t help thinking, too, about karma, and I immediately felt and still feel petty for that. Trump has spent much of the past six months, during which more than 200,000 Americans died of causes related to the coronavirus, downplaying the pandemic, flinging out false reassurances and refusing to abide by the very public health guidelines that officials in his own government were fervently promoting.
He didn’t wear a mask. He encouraged large gatherings — including the Tulsa, Okla., rally that Herman Cain attended before falling sick with the coronavirus and dying, and his big convention speech — at which hundreds and even thousands of people, many without any facial covering, packed in tight. At the first presidential debate on Tuesday night, he mocked Biden for so often wearing a mask, suggesting that it was a sign of … what? Timidity? Weakness? Vogueishness? Moral vanity?
With Trump it can be hard to know, and it’s hard to know whether his own defiance was a kind of wishful thinking about the coronavirus’s true prevalence, a reflection of his belief in his own physical invincibility, some combination of the two or none of the above.
But it’s easy to identify the morals of this story.
The most obvious is that the coronavirus has not gone away and there is no guarantee, contrary to the president’s sunny prophecies, that it’s going away anytime soon, certainly not if we’re cavalier about it.
Which brings up another moral, also obvious but apparently necessary to articulate: There is a real risk in being cavalier. The president is now the embodiment of that. The first lady, too. Also Hope Hicks, one of his closest advisers, and who knows how many others in his immediate circle? That question exists because, from the start, there has been a culture of cavalier attitudes and behavior at the White House when it comes to the coronavirus.
That culture was on flabbergasting display during those evening briefings the president used to do, the ones that he used primarily to congratulate himself and his administration on their fantabulous job battling the pandemic. They battled it all the way to America’s exceptional status as the world leader in recorded cases of, and deaths associated with, the coronavirus.
That culture was evident in the rallies that the president arranged and insisted on doing over recent weeks. That culture persisted on Thursday, when, according to an article by Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman in The Times, Kayleigh McEnany, maskless, held a briefing with reporters after Hicks’s infection with the virus was confirmed and after McEnany was on a plane with her and exposed to her.
I read that and I winced and I gasped — and then I wondered why in the world I was wincing and gasping when it was par for the course. When it was business as usual. When it was an explanation for why we are where we are as a country and why Trump is where he is as a president and patient.
It is time, at long last, to learn. To be smarter. To be safer. To be more responsible, to others as well as to ourselves. We cannot erase the mistakes made in America’s response to the coronavirus but we can vow not to continue making them. The way to treat President Trump’s diagnosis is as a turning point and a new start. This is when we woke up.
The presidency and the president are always national mirrors, in many different ways at once, and that’s another moral. Trump has shown America its resentments. He has modeled its rage. Now he personifies its recklessness. How extraordinary and helpful it would be if, when he talks to the country about this, whether on television or in tweets, he reflects on that in a civic-minded way.
I’m certainly not counting on that: He may wind up having a mild experience with the coronavirus and feeling somehow vindicated. But I’m rooting for a more mature tack.
Because I don’t want us to be cynical, no matter how much cause we’ve been given. I want us to be better
After getting past the snickers about plots and conspiracies its good to take a breath and look forward. This article helped me take in that view
*************************************
AVOID CONSPIRATORIAL THINKING AND KARMA EXPLANATIONS . .
"Defiant, Now Infected: Trump Is a Morality "
The president has the coronavirus. Let’s learn from that Frank Bruni, Oct. 2, New York Times
I couldn’t help thinking that.
I couldn’t help thinking, too, about karma, and I immediately felt and still feel petty for that. Trump has spent much of the past six months, during which more than 200,000 Americans died of causes related to the coronavirus, downplaying the pandemic, flinging out false reassurances and refusing to abide by the very public health guidelines that officials in his own government were fervently promoting.
He didn’t wear a mask. He encouraged large gatherings — including the Tulsa, Okla., rally that Herman Cain attended before falling sick with the coronavirus and dying, and his big convention speech — at which hundreds and even thousands of people, many without any facial covering, packed in tight. At the first presidential debate on Tuesday night, he mocked Biden for so often wearing a mask, suggesting that it was a sign of … what? Timidity? Weakness? Vogueishness? Moral vanity?
With Trump it can be hard to know, and it’s hard to know whether his own defiance was a kind of wishful thinking about the coronavirus’s true prevalence, a reflection of his belief in his own physical invincibility, some combination of the two or none of the above.
But it’s easy to identify the morals of this story.
The most obvious is that the coronavirus has not gone away and there is no guarantee, contrary to the president’s sunny prophecies, that it’s going away anytime soon, certainly not if we’re cavalier about it.
Which brings up another moral, also obvious but apparently necessary to articulate: There is a real risk in being cavalier. The president is now the embodiment of that. The first lady, too. Also Hope Hicks, one of his closest advisers, and who knows how many others in his immediate circle? That question exists because, from the start, there has been a culture of cavalier attitudes and behavior at the White House when it comes to the coronavirus.
That culture was on flabbergasting display during those evening briefings the president used to do, the ones that he used primarily to congratulate himself and his administration on their fantabulous job battling the pandemic. They battled it all the way to America’s exceptional status as the world leader in recorded cases of, and deaths associated with, the coronavirus.
That culture was evident in the rallies that the president arranged and insisted on doing over recent weeks. That culture persisted on Thursday, when, according to an article by Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman in The Times, Kayleigh McEnany, maskless, held a briefing with reporters after Hicks’s infection with the virus was confirmed and after McEnany was on a plane with her and exposed to her.
I read that and I winced and I gasped — and then I wondered why in the world I was wincing and gasping when it was par for the course. When it was business as usual. When it was an explanation for why we are where we are as a country and why Trump is where he is as a president and patient.
It is time, at long last, to learn. To be smarter. To be safer. To be more responsible, to others as well as to ourselves. We cannot erase the mistakes made in America’s response to the coronavirus but we can vow not to continue making them. The way to treat President Trump’s diagnosis is as a turning point and a new start. This is when we woke up.
The presidency and the president are always national mirrors, in many different ways at once, and that’s another moral. Trump has shown America its resentments. He has modeled its rage. Now he personifies its recklessness. How extraordinary and helpful it would be if, when he talks to the country about this, whether on television or in tweets, he reflects on that in a civic-minded way.
I’m certainly not counting on that: He may wind up having a mild experience with the coronavirus and feeling somehow vindicated. But I’m rooting for a more mature tack.
Because I don’t want us to be cynical, no matter how much cause we’ve been given. I want us to be better
Burrapeg
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Wise words from that guy, Tom. We do need to rise above the tendency to gloat or to feel that the bastard had it coming. Part of me is appalled at my own sentiments of actually wanting to dance a jig at the news. I don't really wish anyone to suffer what so many of our fellow Americans went thru in their lonely deaths isolated from the love of their families and then shoved into an overcrowded morgue. But the other, less likeable side of me, feels like it is right up there with hoping Hitler or Caligula gets better and doesn't suffer. And there is the real danger that if he sails right thru it with barely any ill effects, he will just feel justified in further downplaying it while more and more of us continue to perish. I cannot help thinking that, literally for the good of the nation, he needs to at least suffer significantly enough to know he fucked up big time and to get a good taste of what his lack of leadership did to so many others. Extremely mixed feelings, to be sure. The thing is, Trump brings out the worst in all of us, not just his own supporters. This is one of things I dislike about him the most, along with him simply dominating the news and our thoughts constantly every day, and never in a positive, happy way. I would be perfectly happy to see Sleepy Joe putter around the White House and do absolutely nothing for four years except let the country relax, take a deep breathe, put Trump behind us into the past.
dsptech
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I don't!
I was starting to think they were Karma proof.
I never wish ill to anybody even to others to wrong me or mine but this P.O.S, his corrupt family members, and political circle, all deserves this.
They are directly and selfishly responsible for the needless deaths and long term damage of thousands including children and the damaged lives of the family and friends of those affected.
This should have happened months ago so countless lives could have been saved and his supporters would finally get a clue and realize what a lying piece of garbage he is.
Burrapeg
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Just saw his tweet, that 'we will get thru this TOGETHER' - (his caps). Yeah, now that he has it himself. Where was this spirit of togetherness when 200,000-plus other Americans were dying of it? And everybody is worried about him continuing with his duties. Which duties? The endless boasting or blaming tweets and regular golf trips? The mask-less rallies for his own re-election? Sorry, that side of me was surfacing again.
Its amazing how quickly our cowardly president ran for the best healthcare our taxpayer dollars can provide. Especially considering the fact that covid is nothing more than a hoax, and not much more lethal than the common cold/flu....At least that what he told us?
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