Friction free SRT

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there are novice errors, and there are brain fart errors. I feel no less or more likely to cut my rope now than I did when I first started. That's something I figured out that I don't want to do without experience. I however will never again attempt to cut a huge log with no face cut as I did when I was a novice with no experience as that nearly killed me. I don't need experience to know that I shouldn't cut my rope. I do need experience to understand how to read a tree.

Im not going to argue that SRT is safer. But I definitely dont think it is more dangerous than climbing on a taught line. And I know for certain that it is more productive and therefore anyone I am teaching I am probably going to want to be productive and worth the time I put into training. I'm not talking about training stupid people either. I don't think I would bother with that scenario.

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Yep. whatever you think mate. Its your 'duty of care', your call when it comes to your company. I would just remind you though that you do have quite an influence on the forum, both you and David for that matter. It is important while pointing out the convenience of a given system, the pitfalls and added dangers in some cases, need to be equally acknowledged.
 
You do make good points Reg and it is true that it is in my best interest that everyone climb on a Rope Wrench so everyone should take what I say with that in mind. I do have an agenda.
 
Rope Wrench right off the bat for begginers but I think that all groundies should drag brush by hand for at least a year before ill let them touch the Arbor Trolley. I don't think it's fair that I had to drag all that brush for so many years and these new brats get it all easy. no character development. I also worry they might impale themselves on those white stakes.
 
Interesting direction this thread has gone. It is interesting how it always seems to go back to the discussion of which one is better, SRWP or DDRT when like Jimmy has pointed out, both have their merits and their place in our industry.

My original post was not in jest but rather serious in nature. I think the devices that are coming out are good but I feel that there is room for improvement. Kevin's rope runner is a promising move in a different direction which I appreciate. I might be asking for the impossible. A device that is ergonomic in use, isn't bulky, is strong enough to handle the loads that can happen in tree work, but at the same time move up the rope without friction. Making something that can do all of those things and also be durable is a tall order indeed.

The points about the safety and merits of SRWP are a dead horse being ridden once again but they are good points and are good to remember.

Often times when I take people climbing for the first time I take them SRT. I have them ascend the most efficient way possible. I put them on a frog walker for ascent and then I put them on the Edelrid Eddy or the Petzl I'D for decent. In my opinion there is no safer way for a beginner to rappel because of the anti panic feature of these devices. There is almost no way for them to drop themselves. That said, because of the complication of teaching the TIP anchoring systems and my discomfort with a beginner using a base tie I don't think I would put a new climber on a SRWP system. One of my big hesitations of SRWP has been the base tie. I think it is a liability and an option that I just haven't gotten comfortable with yet though I do see the advantages of using the whole tree as a dampening system and a series of redirects and backups.

I agree about the brush carts though, bad idea for beginners.
 
Climbing trees is either in you or it's not… SRT, DRT, however… but the AT rocks… mine just got here, the boys put it to work the next day after years of draggin'. Hahahahaha!


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