Fast forward pruning.

Public enemy 1- Nick for butchering that poor oak

Public enemy 2- EAB 100 million dead ash trees

At least I learned something. Lucky for us weit wont cost billions to reverse my genocide on the urban forest.

Sorry for wasting everyones time!
 
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Public enemy 1- Nick for butchering that poor oak

Public enemy 2- EAB 100 million dead ash trees

At least I learned something. Lucky for us weit wont cost billions to reverse my genocide on the urban forest.

Sorry for wasting everyones time!

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You did not waste anyone's time AT ALL.

This was a VERY productive thread.

The camera angle and fast forward editing was very nice and thank you for the time to show it.

Keep showing stuff and keep discussing and you will continue to advance tremendously.

If you don't share and don't discuss things by keeping to your own little circle, you will not advance much.

You are on treebuzz sharing video and discussing, that means a lot. You are much more than the average tree guy.
 
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Public enemy 1- Nick for butchering that poor oak

Public enemy 2- EAB 100 million dead ash trees

At least I learned something. Lucky for us weit wont cost billions to reverse my genocide on the urban forest.

Sorry for wasting everyones time!

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You didn't waste anyone's time. You held up pretty good. On the other hand some were selfish and belligerent. Before some people post they should consider those who are on here to learn from those who might know something. This other stuff should be discussed face to face so we could watch vids of arb workers slugging it out endlessly. That would bring in some viewers and shorten some of these threads. So come on guys start getting together.
 
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Think of it like this, most trees have an inner and an outer crown, in your vid you removed a large portion of the inner crown, this is not a good thing. So next time dont remove so much of the inner crown.

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That's a really good way of explaining it... Explaining/learning proper pruning methods seems to be one of the harder things to do/learn. there's a lot more "feel" to it than in the mechanics of climbing/rigging gear/technique.. there are just so many variable.. But the basic philosophy of making small cuts on branch tips as much as possible is a good place to start.
 
I go with anything that rubs, then is it a weight issue, look for included bark, Large tree with good structure is going to have the tips pruned. Depends on how much the want to spend.
 
Anyways good video. Like the camera shot. Until you make a video you don't know what is involved. Made a couple now and it gets easier as you go.
 
There is a good argument here, and one worth considering. I've heard the standard line, where you "don't cut anything without a specific reason" and you never remove live foliage without being able to justify it. And I think that is the nut of Daniel's argument, so to speak, and he is right.

Jesus, I feel dirty. Defending this ghoulish brute in public . . . He comes off a little weird, yes, like someone's distant cousin from the other side of an old family - A bell tower hunchback with hairy knuckles and a penchant for fondling himself in front of cameras. We've all had to watch. The animal is sick with pride.

But he's also right, and so is anyone else who draws attention to the problem of over-pruning and the natural conflict that comes with selling work and making homeowners happy.
 
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That was an aweful aweful pruning job.

This "pruning" job sucked!

Don't respond, just shut up, take it in,

I used to do them wrong in the past too.


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Ok we got that. Lets give him a way to solve the problem.
Where can he learn a better way? How does he get past his boss selling crappy work? X, you said you used to do the same thing at times before you knew better. How did you change? where did you learn? What was your reasoning at the time?



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I think I did it because it made it look like a real clean tree, easy to do, plus, everything that caught me and got in my way I could just cut it out.

How did I change? I drove past trees that I did this way, one, two and three years later and critiqued how it reacted and decided that what I was doing was not beneficial.
 
Since I got the 75' bucket we've been doing a lot of reduction pruning on big trees, and just taking a little weight off the entire canopy on medium to big ones, lot of handsaw cuts, and chasing big deadwood on all the declining oaks... so those days of the conflict between selling work and making the homeowners happy are a fading memory..
 
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How about concentrating on what you leave behind when you prune not on what you remove.

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Well done. I didn't know we were going to allow this kind of a Copernican reversal here. I need a ruling from a moderator before I proceed.
 
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How about concentrating on what you leave behind when you prune not on what you remove.

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Well done. I didn't know we were going to allow this kind of a Copernican reversal here. I need a ruling from a moderator before I proceed.

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That easily passes Tom's "mom" test.


SZ
 
Archdruid,

Revolutionary ain't it?

It's no what we remove that matters to the tree. Once cut it matters only to the chipper an rake.

The tree is only concerned with what is left, attached and functioning. Let that be your focus as you prune.

Tony
 
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Well done. I didn't know we were going to allow this kind of a Copernican reversal here. I need a ruling from a moderator before I proceed.

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That easily passes Tom's "mom" test.


SZ

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SZ is bucking for the Moderator position...he know's how to administer the Mom Test
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Since I got the 75' bucket we've been doing a lot of reduction pruning on big trees, and just taking a little weight off the entire canopy on medium to big ones, lot of handsaw cuts, and chasing big deadwood on all the declining oaks... so those days of the conflict between selling work and making the homeowners happy are a fading memory..

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I gotcha Murph, gotta love that bucket eh?

I busted up my last silky pole-saw a while back, at least it's forced me to make those cuts with a handsaw, one way to practice working the tips I guess. Sure can be a lot of effort for a little cut, but I can sure get out there.

Conflict of selling/pleasing homeowners... not quite sure my big head gets it... I'll guess though... you used to be able to sell the work, then fail in the end to make them happy because you didn't have the reach/extension to carry it out.

Murph do me a favor, tell them the tree just needs to be removed and make sure to get it on video - will ya?
 
The conflict is between doing what is best for the tree, which is often nothing, or very little, and doing what you have to do to either pay the bills, which is sell pruning jobs, or pruning the way the homeowner wants, even though that's detrimental to the tree...
 
Right right 223, be easy on big Murph. Daniel, is it that new cute lady you've been chillin' with that has brought this side out of ya?
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Just playing, anyway, for me it just helps to think whats best for the people number one. The tree is a bit further on the list in the whole scheme of things. It seems like you can manipulate trees in lots of different ways and come to a compromise to make all things happy enough.

But yes you have to pay the bills. It isn't often that I bid a prune or reduction more than a removal. And I end up talking a lot of people into just leaving the tree alone, even though I would love to cut it down, and of course it pays more.

Then some will say... Well if you just keep the tree for return work every couple years you will make more profit off of it than just wacking it down from the start. That may be true, on the other hand the client would be spending more money over the long run. They could simply have you remove the tree and plant an ornamental and be done with it. After all a tree is a tree.

Either way, education the client, giving options, and having a clear understanding of the job is key. And since were talking to Murph here, one thing that I have seen over the years of watching his videos is his ability to reach that human level with different people. I can appreciate that.

I've stood there and watched many tree guys while on bids, listening to what they have to say. Quite interesting really, everyone has their own style. And depending on my mood, I do enjoy the actual bid process most the time. But listening to what the client actually wants done and doing less talking seems to usually pan out the best.

Around here I'm working on mostly native trees. People have built their homes in a forest, and want to sleep without the worry of trees crashing through their roof.

I had a lady in tears after working in her beautiful oak, and I was only taking out the mistletoe. Had a lady ask me if I felt bad cutting down perfectly healthy trees, because she felt so guilty after having me chop it down to make a big pole or some sign or something.

Anyway, Murph just talk them into removal, get it on film, post it, and get that money. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't let your relationship affect whether or not the tree comes down, I know how hippies can be, they love the trees soooo much, and can we save the tree, blah blah. Yes we can save it hun, but were just going to cut it down and be done with it, burn it and scoop the ashes.
 
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