Fast forward pruning.
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Bixler
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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Bixler
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Just did a little bucket work for my second boss in the tree biz... circa 1982... he's the one that actaully gave me a primer on chainsaw use..
Anywho... I got done reducing three large oak limbs on two big trees, which finished the work we had talked about... then the foreman siad.. "he wants you to strip all these suckers too"... We're talkin 40' of sprouts each, on the south side of two tree that had been previosuly mercillessly elevated and which I had just removed the low hanging ends of three lower limbs which had been provoding a lot of shade for the trunks and root zones...
Put me in a tough spot... as a sub what choice did I really have.. fortunately the bucket was just barely out of side reach, which allowed me to neatly trim back the sprouts but not remove them... Foreman asked it I wanted a polesaw.. NO.. I came down, left the outriggers in place and waited for the boss.. He liked the look of the tree..
If he had insisted I probably would have obliged, but I won't in the future. When we talk I'll explain that I do not prune trees like that and why, and if he needs to "strip the suckers" he should call someone else. I don't need the work that badly.. That just rubs me wrong.. I hate the remorse of knowing i "shouldn't have cut those trees"..
All you folks that think "hey, its a just a tree".. wouldn't you be surprised if on your way to heaven God lets you in on a little secret... that the most sacred beings in all his creation are the trees that you cut so mindlessly".. Not sayin' its true, but it just might be!
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You're right Murph, it just might be. I would be pretty surprised if on my way to heaven God said that, no really I would. Boy oh boy would I have some questions of my own!
I would have dealt with the situation in a similar way most likely. At first I would be wondering why the foreman was telling me to do something that the boss had not mentioned. Of course I would be climbing, but say I had your bucket, (love that bucket) I would have of course done the same as you... wait for the boss and all, but I would have brought the outriggers up and packed up the gear. When he showed up the tree would look even better to him then.
Every time I clean up a tree "the boss" usually says wow, I didn't think it would look that good, and of course thinking wow that was really fast, safe, and efficient. Wow he makes me look good. --Stuff like that ya know?
Cutting back the suckers neatly may have saved you a trip back up the tree, so yeah I get it. I always wonder why some people on the ground (in this case the foreman), ASK you if you want a tool, or if you want to do a job a certain way. It's almost just bad tree etiquette. It's like dude, ask me if I want water or something.
Any chance you get any pics of the job? Video?
Just did a little bucket work for my second boss in the tree biz... circa 1982... he's the one that actaully gave me a primer on chainsaw use..
Anywho... I got done reducing three large oak limbs on two big trees, which finished the work we had talked about... then the foreman siad.. "he wants you to strip all these suckers too"... We're talkin 40' of sprouts each, on the south side of two tree that had been previosuly mercillessly elevated and which I had just removed the low hanging ends of three lower limbs which had been provoding a lot of shade for the trunks and root zones...
Put me in a tough spot... as a sub what choice did I really have.. fortunately the bucket was just barely out of side reach, which allowed me to neatly trim back the sprouts but not remove them... Foreman asked it I wanted a polesaw.. NO.. I came down, left the outriggers in place and waited for the boss.. He liked the look of the tree..
If he had insisted I probably would have obliged, but I won't in the future. When we talk I'll explain that I do not prune trees like that and why, and if he needs to "strip the suckers" he should call someone else. I don't need the work that badly.. That just rubs me wrong.. I hate the remorse of knowing i "shouldn't have cut those trees"..
All you folks that think "hey, its a just a tree".. wouldn't you be surprised if on your way to heaven God lets you in on a little secret... that the most sacred beings in all his creation are the trees that you cut so mindlessly".. Not sayin' its true, but it just might be!
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You're right Murph, it just might be. I would be pretty surprised if on my way to heaven God said that, no really I would. Boy oh boy would I have some questions of my own!
I would have dealt with the situation in a similar way most likely. At first I would be wondering why the foreman was telling me to do something that the boss had not mentioned. Of course I would be climbing, but say I had your bucket, (love that bucket) I would have of course done the same as you... wait for the boss and all, but I would have brought the outriggers up and packed up the gear. When he showed up the tree would look even better to him then.
Every time I clean up a tree "the boss" usually says wow, I didn't think it would look that good, and of course thinking wow that was really fast, safe, and efficient. Wow he makes me look good. --Stuff like that ya know?
Cutting back the suckers neatly may have saved you a trip back up the tree, so yeah I get it. I always wonder why some people on the ground (in this case the foreman), ASK you if you want a tool, or if you want to do a job a certain way. It's almost just bad tree etiquette. It's like dude, ask me if I want water or something.
Any chance you get any pics of the job? Video?
Bixler
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Bixler, this is what you are not.......
An arborist, or (less commonly) arboriculturist, is a professional in the practice of arboriculture, which is the cultivation, management, and study of individual trees, shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants. Arborists generally focus on the health and safety of individual plants and trees, rather than managing forests (the domains of Forestry and Silviculture) or harvesting wood. An arborist's scope of work is therefore distinct from that of either a forester or a logger, though the professions share much in common.
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So Ted, being an arborist, of course for me can get boring at times. But yeah I'll put on that face to pay the bills if I have to. You know that. So back to this forester/logger thing. I like it. I mean, you get to go out there and knock down big trees, cut them up, mill them or split them for firewood. It's always been interesting to see what a tree breaks down to once processed.
So Ted, when taking down loads of trees near houses, having to rig down some limbs, do a bit of climbing, work like that... which category would that be under? I'm talking beautiful healthy trees most of the time, sometimes they are dead, but either way, bringing them down, cutting them up, and processing the wood.
Bixler, this is what you are not.......
An arborist, or (less commonly) arboriculturist, is a professional in the practice of arboriculture, which is the cultivation, management, and study of individual trees, shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants. Arborists generally focus on the health and safety of individual plants and trees, rather than managing forests (the domains of Forestry and Silviculture) or harvesting wood. An arborist's scope of work is therefore distinct from that of either a forester or a logger, though the professions share much in common.
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So Ted, being an arborist, of course for me can get boring at times. But yeah I'll put on that face to pay the bills if I have to. You know that. So back to this forester/logger thing. I like it. I mean, you get to go out there and knock down big trees, cut them up, mill them or split them for firewood. It's always been interesting to see what a tree breaks down to once processed.
So Ted, when taking down loads of trees near houses, having to rig down some limbs, do a bit of climbing, work like that... which category would that be under? I'm talking beautiful healthy trees most of the time, sometimes they are dead, but either way, bringing them down, cutting them up, and processing the wood.
Bixler
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Forest trees are different than urban trees. They are not as valuable. They're just a total self supporting wonder. It seems we could be looking pretty out of touch if we keep turning our backs on the out of control disposal of forests.
Anyway the more money we say pull out of a tree with repeated prunings or whatever creates another exchange of money which starts an economic chain reaction of a bunch of people having to go to work. Or...
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Who is turning there back to "the out of control disposal of forests"? I thought we were planting trees after areas have been logged. Something like a 100 year cycle or something.
Could it be that one forest tree may be more valuable than one urban tree?
Bo, your last sentence... Or what?
Trees are crazy man.
Forest trees are different than urban trees. They are not as valuable. They're just a total self supporting wonder. It seems we could be looking pretty out of touch if we keep turning our backs on the out of control disposal of forests.
Anyway the more money we say pull out of a tree with repeated prunings or whatever creates another exchange of money which starts an economic chain reaction of a bunch of people having to go to work. Or...
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Who is turning there back to "the out of control disposal of forests"? I thought we were planting trees after areas have been logged. Something like a 100 year cycle or something.
Could it be that one forest tree may be more valuable than one urban tree?
Bo, your last sentence... Or what?
Trees are crazy man.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
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Ok Tom D... time to lock her up. These guys just couldn't help themselves.
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Why lock it? I think we are getting into an interesting conversation about Arborists as opposed to tree cutters. The way I see it; if you can sell a long term management plan that includes annual or biannual visits for treatments and/or appropriate pruning that will prolong the period of acceptable risk for the client and community you are not only a good salesman, you are a good steward.
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Thats a great way to see it Ted. So I take it you call yourself an arborist? Have you ever been a tree cutter?
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Ok Tom D... time to lock her up. These guys just couldn't help themselves.
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Why lock it? I think we are getting into an interesting conversation about Arborists as opposed to tree cutters. The way I see it; if you can sell a long term management plan that includes annual or biannual visits for treatments and/or appropriate pruning that will prolong the period of acceptable risk for the client and community you are not only a good salesman, you are a good steward.
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Thats a great way to see it Ted. So I take it you call yourself an arborist? Have you ever been a tree cutter?
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Thats a great way to see it Ted. So I take it you call yourself an arborist? Have you ever been a tree cutter?
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Call me Mr. Robinson please. No, I have never been just a tree cutter.
Thats a great way to see it Ted. So I take it you call yourself an arborist? Have you ever been a tree cutter?
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Call me Mr. Robinson please. No, I have never been just a tree cutter.
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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If by "east coast" thing you mean I ask questions about your climbing that you can't/won't answer then yes, it is. You and Bixler are cute together though.
This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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If by "east coast" thing you mean I ask questions about your climbing that you can't/won't answer then yes, it is. You and Bixler are cute together though.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
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Thats a great way to see it Ted. So I take it you call yourself an arborist? Have you ever been a tree cutter?
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Call me Mr. Robinson please. No, I have never been just a tree cutter.
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I didn't think so Mr. Robinson.
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Thats a great way to see it Ted. So I take it you call yourself an arborist? Have you ever been a tree cutter?
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Call me Mr. Robinson please. No, I have never been just a tree cutter.
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I didn't think so Mr. Robinson.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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If by "east coast" thing you mean I ask questions about your climbing that you can't/won't answer then yes, it is. You and Bixler are cute together though.
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Oh Mr. Robinson... that's what the ladies been sayin'!
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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If by "east coast" thing you mean I ask questions about your climbing that you can't/won't answer then yes, it is. You and Bixler are cute together though.
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Oh Mr. Robinson... that's what the ladies been sayin'!
boreality
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Or... It is what you make it.
Something "like" planting trees. You are correct.
Who's turning their back on forest disposal? It appears most humans including urban arborists.
One forest tree more valuable than an urban tree? That depends which formula you use. I mean the forest tree would score low on the arborist valuation. Clearing treed land and turning it into marginal farmland or a subdivision is still called an improvement. So forest trees score as a negative currently.
Something "like" planting trees. You are correct.
Who's turning their back on forest disposal? It appears most humans including urban arborists.
One forest tree more valuable than an urban tree? That depends which formula you use. I mean the forest tree would score low on the arborist valuation. Clearing treed land and turning it into marginal farmland or a subdivision is still called an improvement. So forest trees score as a negative currently.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
I never did like seeing once treed land turned into a subdivision. I guess one plus it will eventually put another arborist to work. Love the woods.
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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If by "east coast" thing you mean I ask questions about your climbing that you can't/won't answer then yes, it is. You and Bixler are cute together though.
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jo, thanks, me and big Bix are "GODS" gift to women here on the west coast, east coast guys dont have a chance when were around....dont hate us, we were born like this lol
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This time I think it's a east coast thing..lol
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If by "east coast" thing you mean I ask questions about your climbing that you can't/won't answer then yes, it is. You and Bixler are cute together though.
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jo, thanks, me and big Bix are "GODS" gift to women here on the west coast, east coast guys dont have a chance when were around....dont hate us, we were born like this lol
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Born and raised tree brother!
Ted, since were talking here... what was it that made you decide to stop working for yourself?
Ted, since were talking here... what was it that made you decide to stop working for yourself?
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Come on banjo, I'm just talking here man. Just asking... sometimes I cant help but ask my self why I would ever do it, but also wouldn't have it any other way. It's only been five... well I guess six years now self-employed. We'll see how long that lasts! --
What was it that drove you out?
Has it been more enjoyable (as in "life") since you've been out?
I always seem to enjoy the trees much more when working for someone else. I've been trying to slow it down though lately, slow and safe. It's not about just cutting the tree down Ted, it's about doing it safely, you instill that. I'm learning that's for sure, only have 5 or so years into the gig but let me tell you what brother... It's in my blood. Tree cutter/arborist whatever you would like to call it.... it is in my blood. Anyway Ted safe work either way. Thanks.
What was it that drove you out?
Has it been more enjoyable (as in "life") since you've been out?
I always seem to enjoy the trees much more when working for someone else. I've been trying to slow it down though lately, slow and safe. It's not about just cutting the tree down Ted, it's about doing it safely, you instill that. I'm learning that's for sure, only have 5 or so years into the gig but let me tell you what brother... It's in my blood. Tree cutter/arborist whatever you would like to call it.... it is in my blood. Anyway Ted safe work either way. Thanks.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Oh yeah... and Murph!... you too busy to reply!?! I thought we were talking here?! Just wondering how the new bucket has been?
Pics? Vid?
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- rhode island
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Ted, since were talking here... what was it that made you decide to stop working for yourself?
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I'm a much better tree man than business man and I enjoy having the structure that comes from being employed. To answer your other question about my quality of life, yes it has improved substantially in the four years since I closed it down.
Ted, since were talking here... what was it that made you decide to stop working for yourself?
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I'm a much better tree man than business man and I enjoy having the structure that comes from being employed. To answer your other question about my quality of life, yes it has improved substantially in the four years since I closed it down.
Daniel
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Oh yeah... and Murph!... you too busy to reply!?! I thought we were talking here?! Just wondering how the new bucket has been?
Pics? Vid?
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Ya, I just got back to this thread... Worked most days til dark since labor day. The party never ends. I'll see about pics when I get the camera out..
Oh yeah... and Murph!... you too busy to reply!?! I thought we were talking here?! Just wondering how the new bucket has been?
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Ya, I just got back to this thread... Worked most days til dark since labor day. The party never ends. I'll see about pics when I get the camera out..
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Thanks guys... be safe as always.
Jeff_Cochran
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It helps to think in tree time; not what it looks like now but how it will respond in 3-5-10 years. Good point about the role of the climber vs the role of the salesperson.
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Guy,
I generally think of tree time as 25-50+ years..
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How many decades is 50 years?
I ask because your website confuses me. On your front page it says,
" Daniel Murphy, with 30+ years experience..." and then it says "...practical knowledge of trees that only comes from watching and working with these great beings for almost 3 decades."
So is 50+ years more or less than 5 decades?
Also, I am updating my resume, and I have a question about your calculations for tree work experience when responding to a hurricane.
Your website states "A month of hurricane clean is about equivalent to a year of doing regular tree work, and this “combat” experience further ads [sic] to Daniel’s depth of experience. "
In 1996, I went to Raleigh for 2 weeks when Fran hit. Does this mean that I accumulated 6 months of experience from those two weeks?
Thanks for your time and consideration.
SZ
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this is good comedy
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It helps to think in tree time; not what it looks like now but how it will respond in 3-5-10 years. Good point about the role of the climber vs the role of the salesperson.
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Guy,
I generally think of tree time as 25-50+ years..
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How many decades is 50 years?
I ask because your website confuses me. On your front page it says,
" Daniel Murphy, with 30+ years experience..." and then it says "...practical knowledge of trees that only comes from watching and working with these great beings for almost 3 decades."
So is 50+ years more or less than 5 decades?
Also, I am updating my resume, and I have a question about your calculations for tree work experience when responding to a hurricane.
Your website states "A month of hurricane clean is about equivalent to a year of doing regular tree work, and this “combat” experience further ads [sic] to Daniel’s depth of experience. "
In 1996, I went to Raleigh for 2 weeks when Fran hit. Does this mean that I accumulated 6 months of experience from those two weeks?
Thanks for your time and consideration.
SZ
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this is good comedy
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