DRT

moss said:
When my truck (with all my tree gear) was stolen last year I bought a TM to replace my custom Sequoia SRT. A week after it was stolen my truck was found with all my gear (saws, ropes, etc etc) untouched. I sold some of my new gear but did not want to give up the TM. TM is now my work harness, especially like the comfortable waist belt.
-AJ
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Hey, AJ, is that the first time you ever felt like kissing a car thief? I'm really happy they just went for a joy ride, and were not out for all of your gear. Happy you got it back.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
Hey, AJ, is that the first time you ever felt like kissing a car thief? I'm really happy they just went for a joy ride, and were not out for all of your gear. Happy you got it back.

Tim
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Thx. I was in a homicidal mood when it happened. The clutch on my truck was such crap at the time that I believe they gave up driving it, I was used to it but getting into first was not trivial. If they weren't used to driving standard in the first place it would've been a total fail for them. They never opened up the back to see there was gear there. They may have only used for a few hours for all I know, it was found on a side street that's more like an alleyway a few blocks from where it was stolen 5 days later. It may have been sitting there for almost all of the 5 days, I lucked out. Clutch is repaired now, my right shoulder appreciates that ;-)
 
RyanCafferky said:
I think you should fully research the slaice idea for SRT work. At a comp I was at last year the speed climb or footlock belay was setup with a rope with a slaice on the end. Only after the system was taken down did we realize that the slaice was only meant to be used DDRT. I am open to being wrong on this but I remember being very surprised at the time when the realization was made.

Please get someone with more knowledge on the subject than I to comment. I don't actually own anything with a slaice on it.
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Really don't want to throw anyone under the bus here...can't stand that idea, but...

I've had two Slaices in my kit, and I no longer use either one at this point. Both came from a former NE Ropes arbor rep. We discussed configurations, and I was given the green light. Perhaps not all Slaices are equal???

I appreciate your concern to safety and ratings. This is important, and only bolsters the need to refer to manufacturer literature of you don't know what you're thinking of climbing on.

So, at this point, I'll still say I want all Slaices and oval mallions in my DSRT kit! :) I also want them to be properly built & rated for this application. ;) If they don't exist, then I'm happy with my current Zeppelin Bend at the Base Anchor...just means I have to consider that knot size for successful lowering.
 
There was a bit of a discussion of this subject on my Facebook page and after reading some of the posts there, I WOULD likely climb on a Slaice in either SRT or DDRT. A knot is going to reduce the strength of a rope by that much anyway.

Here is what Taylor Hamel had to say on the Facebook discussion. His post was one of the valuable responses.

"I no longer work with Teufelberger. Regina Costa or Angela Sipos will be able to answer specific questions regarding Slaice. However, I will say that the US is lagging way behind other countries when it comes to standards and test requirements for Arb gear. Many blanket statements on strength, but nothing much regarding materials, construction, testing procedures, etc. What are the US test requirements for Arb harnesses?Answer: use strong stuff... That's it.

Teufelberger's products meet the applicable EN standards (and others) and provide a known configured strength. pulleySAVER, sewn e2es, treeMOTION, Slaice...

Slaice, for example, is a termination for EN:1891 type A rope and it meets those requirements. The breaking strength falls within a known and repeatable range. Take the same rope, tie some knots in it and you have an unknown value (or at least not as consistently repeatable). Nothing wrong with knots, but you see where I'm going?

The tech data on Tachyon shows MBS ~26kN. Slaice termination in Tachyon at least meets the 15kN minimum as required. A standard splice sits ~24kN and a knot (usually a fig 8 for test purposes) is at least 15kN again."
 
I know this an old tread, didn't know where else to pose this question.
At the moment I only have 1 200ft line...thoughts on joining 2 smaller lines to make up an additional 200+ for a DRT climb?
So as not to be anymore confusing, I mean climb on the 200ft line with one device, then join 2 100ft sections to climb on another device.
 
Rock climbers and cavers do it all the time. You will just have to bypass the knot which will be safe because you're on the other rope already.
 
Scottyrunner100 said:
I know this an old tread, didn't know where else to pose this question.
At the moment I only have 1 200ft line...thoughts on joining 2 smaller lines to make up an additional 200+ for a DRT climb?
So as not to be anymore confusing, I mean climb on the 200ft line with one device, then join 2 100ft sections to climb on another device.
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I'm confused, DRT or DdRT? or 2 SRT? Smaller being? shorter or smaller diameter? I'm really confused.
 
yoyoman said:
I'm confused, DRT or DdRT? or 2 SRT? Smaller being? shorter or smaller diameter? I'm really confused.
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My intention was to not be confusing...I didn't do a good job.
Maybe DSRT would better.
Example being an 80 foot tip, use 200ft of bluemoon with a base tie to climb SRT with a RR. Then along the lines of this tread add another line base tied with another device BDB, RR, etc. using two 100ft sections of Tachyon joined together.
Thoughts?
 
Scottyrunner100 said:
My intention was to not be confusing...I didn't do a good job.
Maybe DSRT would better.
Example being an 80 foot tip, use 200ft of bluemoon with a base tie to climb SRT with a RR. Then along the lines of this tread add another line base tied with another device BDB, RR, etc. using two 100ft sections of Tachyon joined together.
Thoughts?
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Two spliced eyes and a quick link or a zeppelin bend with 12" tails and over hand stoppers.


Reed Wortley
CA# SO-6953A
CTSP# 01739
 
Worthaug said:
Two spliced eyes and a quick link or a zeppelin bend with 12" tails and over hand stoppers.


Reed Wortley
CA# SO-6953A
CTSP# 01739
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Thanks, that was the next question, if it's not frowned upon to do so what would be the most acceptable method to join the lines? Double overhands, zeppelin, retrace 8, etc. I like the zeppelin but seen on some other treads where some were hesitant to use it for life support for various reasons.
 
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