DRT

treebing said:
Sorry, the wrench is different and I have never lost sleep over the wrench being out there because the wrench to me has nothing to do with the safety of your system. The way you tie your hitch is the important thing and people have been trusting their lives to hitches SRT in be tree industry for the last however many years since the taught line hitch was invented.

The rope runner falls into a different category. I am actually surprised that ART and the zig zag feel comfortable with their products to be used SRT. They have deeper pockets and more lawyers I suppose.
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The question wasn't really about lawyers or deep pockets and liability clauses. More to the point that I view you as primarily as a worker first, like me and most others that post here.

Im gonna say something, and its not to offend, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong....but if you have doubt's in your gut about the rope runner in regard to safety as an independent stand-alone device then go back to the drawing board....because its just not worth it, regardless of investment already.
 
I didnt know ART and petzl where comfortable with there products(spider jack, lock jack,zig zag) being used in SRT, just curious where did you see that bro.
 
How else are art and zig zags being used?

I have climbed SRT on the runner for over a year and have felt fine with it. I have no problems with people climbing on the runner SRT. Without a doubt it will be safer if they use two. I will use two. I do not ask Jeremy who works for singing tree to use two. He uses one and I yell at him now when he cheats which is all the time. I used to not be able to yell at him for cheating cause I was cheating too. For now he still is SRT and that's fine.
 
Kevin i wanna see how your climbing now. I can def see different possibilities, but i see a lot more set up time (Which for me is the easiest way to waste time in tree work). So i'd be hard pressed to justifying that extra time setting up, for the added benefits. But then again, the first time i tried SRT and the feight revolver i kinda wrote it off. But i gave it a little bit of time and 5 or so years later and i haven't climbed Ddrt more a handful of times since.

So again, Kevin, i wanna see how your climbing SRT.
 
Damn now Pa is here and my mind is thinking and starting to OPEN...two ropes two runners....hmmm...just not sure but this is getting interesting...will keep looking in...carry on:cool:
 
Two ropes. Twice as many options.

Someone mentioned rescues. This was something we practiced a lot in the SPRAT class. Way easier than arb SRT rescues. Especially if the SRT tree climber has not installed an access line which hardly anyone does.
 
treebing said:
Chainsaw: lanyarding in around a big stem is tough. It is NOT as easy to cut through two ropes as it is with one especially if one rope is slack. Try cutting a slack line in the tree.
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I wasn't denying that having two lines is safer than one when using a chainsaw. All I was saying is that the lanyard seems to be a safer method as it introduces a 'unrelated' means of tying in.

Also how long does it take to set up the two lines before you make a cut, that is, if you need to make sure the one line is slack and out of the way. I am not trying to pick at the method, but merely trying to understand the benefit. You are the one getting the training and experience with this system and I now get knowledgable answers without having done any of this training myself. Thanks.
 
treebing said:
How else are art and zig zags being used?

I have climbed SRT on the runner for over a year and have felt fine with it. I have no problems with people climbing on the runner SRT. Without a doubt it will be safer if they use two. I will use two. I do not ask Jeremy who works for singing tree to use two. He uses one and I yell at him now when he cheats which is all the time. I used to not be able to yell at him for cheating cause I was cheating too. For now he still is SRT and that's fine.
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Yeah that's good to know. Just that the fact that your sent out the first batch with a disclaimer, the imminent release of the RR and the timing and nature if this thread might suggest that some things up. If you say not, then that's cool.
 
So you have a main line and a back up. I have one runner on a tether and one close to me as in SRT. The one on the tether is usually loose I just drag it around. Sometimes ill switch what is the mainline or backup so I have little tethers on both. Pop them in and out as needed. Both can be put to my chest as needed as well. Instead of my lanyard I can pass one of my runners around the branch and it triangulated me for good positioning. Or I can redirect one off of another side of the tree. I am seeing really fun options.

Trying to figure out between points of attachment, swivels vs rings, vs the rook possibly.

I'm only on day three so I am not yet an expert.
If I can go 500 hours DRT I might be able to be a level two sprat.
 
I use one runner daily....damn that thing is slick....I love that thing...never thought I would like a mechanical....awe well...NEVER thought I might even THINK of climbing on two ropes still looking in...SWING looking in...two ropes well I never.....
 
Reg said:
Is that a joke, gone over my head?

Doubled line is doubled line for most people, weight on both parts of the same line. SRT is full weight on just one leg of line, tied off wherever. ART and zigzags are clearly sold as doubled line only.
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I don't see how ddrt can be called anything but SRT. Does folding a rope in half make it two ropes?

The rope wrench folds the rope 180 degrees as well.
 
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