drt and srt hybrid system

Tony,
That must be a PA thing. Rick Denbeau and Mike Ferich have eached showed me that technique. I don't think the lower Alpine Butterfly is a sufficient backup for the prussic. Only a proper knot on under the prussic (and on the same leg of line as the prussic) would constitute a completely backed up prussic.
 
The knot is sufficient if you tie off the that side of the line. Hard to see through a picture, but if that side of the line is tied off it will act as a proper back up.

*Also hard to explain through text.

Trust me though that Tony thought this out and its safe, and a sufficiently back up.

I would imagine its a PA thing as Tony fabricated this technique.
 
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The knot is sufficient if you tie off the that side of the line. Hard to see through a picture, but if that side of the line is tied off it will act as a proper back up.

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I see. Thats an aspect Mike and Rick weren't aware of I guess.
 
It does not really matter. The idea came to me as a result of a question Mike asked me. As for the "Real Deal" well. . . enough said!!

Just another tool for the 'ol tool box. I have just been waiting for some young genius to take it to the next level.

Guess I gotta do it all.
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Tony
 
Mike that is a fine system but it is not considered a SRT hybrid or a SRT system at all: its a Floating False Crotch. Which is a great system that I use when the opportunity arises. It is not considered SRT beause you are not ascending the single static line; you are only using it to set your dynamic system on which you climb.

Good on you for trying to implement new techniques in your workplace.
 
Mike, I agree with Treeyeti, not truly a hybrid. I climbed this way for a while and realised that if I was going to set the single line anyways, I may as well take advantage of the many ways to quickly ascend with it.
 
I don't actually consider that a floating anchor either. It is fixed at a fixed height. I call the floating anchor a system like I used in Montreal in 03 where you slide the anchor up and lock it off whenever you want and then can move it again. That system in your photos of the pulley tied off was made popular by Cali climbers like Robert Phillips and Gary Aborjena that liked the pulley to reduce friction.
 
The way that mark explains it I can see his point as well. Also what he is talking about can also be known as the secret weapon. Like the ring to ring that is spliced into hitch chord.
 
So if I am to understand your thinking Mark, a floating false crotch is a anchor point that can and is adjusted by the climber while ascending and not on pre-climb like the pulley technique Mike showed in his pics?

Makes sense.

I would consider both a type of FFC, just with different characteristics and applications.
 
Just a little suggestion on tuning and positioning.

On the static portion, the distance from the crotch to the knotted pulley should be longer than the distance it takes to flop the port-a-wrap from loaded to inverted.

There will be that instance when you offload your climbing system and it flops through the TIP, sucking the hardware through the crotch, resulting in an amazing hassle to set things right.

I started my SRT journey used a ladder descender tied off with Meunter mule. It still flopped when off-loaded. If you have that extra port-a-wrap, by all means put it to work.
 
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