DON'T EVEN TRY IT!
- Thread starter Daniel
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Daniel please go to the video and post the frame that shows a dutchmen. You 1st said it was a swinging dutchmen then a swinging dutchmen with a sizwheel then posted a picture of where Pat cleared some of the far hinge and calling it a swinging dutchmen. No dutchmen where he cut the sizwheel, didnt show the apex on the other side. This was a sizwheel that he cleared some of the hinge to help engage the sizwheel. I didnt mention the clearing of the far hinge in my earlier post not because i wasnt paying attention because it wasnt relevant to the dispute which was swinging dutchmen or sizwheel not what he did with the back cut or if he cut some hinge off.
Just a quick reminder of who were dealing with here OwScott.
Daniel is a man who wants to run before he can walk.....He's a man who has no problem telling others what qualifies as a swinging dutchman, yet he himself lacks the very basic skills needed to do something as simple as make a clean undercut with an undersized bar.
chiselbit
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This is quite possibly the stupidest shit I have read. Your hypothetical logger doesn’t “take a chance “ because he knows better than to try stupid shit around a house.
WTF is that?
Yeah no shit, i live by when in doubt piece it out, that cowboy attitude will put you out of business and ruin your rep.
Cant resist Rico. In a bucket or not why take time to set up a line he was already up there why not just knock it down in 2-3 pieces on the way down?
Rick Teinert
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What in the actual f*** is going on in this picture anyway?
southsoundtree
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Inquiring minds want to know.
Daniel
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Doug Dent's book on Timber falling defines a swing dutchman as a number of variations that remove one side of the hinge.
pg 110 " many variations occur in the amount of holding wood severed and the position of the bar. Some variations are shown in Illustration 59.... The holding wood on the lean side should be severed prior to the final back cutting step."
According to Dent any cut where the far side of the hinge is removed is a swing dutchman. How much of the hinge and on what angle the back cut is made may vary significantly.
pg 110 " many variations occur in the amount of holding wood severed and the position of the bar. Some variations are shown in Illustration 59.... The holding wood on the lean side should be severed prior to the final back cutting step."
According to Dent any cut where the far side of the hinge is removed is a swing dutchman. How much of the hinge and on what angle the back cut is made may vary significantly.
Daniel
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Can anyone figure this out?
Reach
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Perhaps it’s the beginning of a chainsaw carving on that stump?
Serf Life
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It's a double-dogshit undercut with snarfles. My pet frog Reginald loves 'em.
"prior to the final back cutting step" This means the dutchmen is made in the notch cut not the back cut. If cutting material off the hinge during the backcut was part of the the dutchmen then what does PRIOR mean. Pat removed hinge material during his backcut.
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It is without a doubt one of the ugliest cuts I have ever seen a so-called professional make in my life. I believe it is what Daniel refers to as his "plate cut", which he uses when he is making an undercut with a bar that is smaller that the diameter of the tree. He should rename it the "training wheel" cut because clearly Daniel can't ride a bike yet...More "plate cut" and so-callled "swinging dutchman" lovlinesss from the Murphman. We could start a whole new thread on the debacle in the 2nd photo...Don't know where to even start on the shit show?
Heres a couple 38"-48" cuts made with an undersized bar. Pretty basic shit folks. Tried and true methods and a little pride in ones sawmanship, and your shit goes where you want it to go, and you leave some decent looking stumps. Funny how pretty stumps usually lead to positive results, aint it?
southsoundtree
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Wtf do you know, @rico?
Bet you have never even made the pilgrimage to the epicenter of the felling, suburban PA.
Bet you have never even made the pilgrimage to the epicenter of the felling, suburban PA.
yep
Rick Teinert
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Figure what out? I've figured out that's a trashy face cut. Also, that salami cut isn't special. Don't tell me that cut is even remotely proper or that there's some bullshit book that shows that cut and its uses. Looks like my 7 year old got ahold of my 460 and went to town. Was that one of your practice cuts? Were you demonstrating how to fuck up? I haven't been on the buzz forever but I can say that every time I see you post something, it's some controversial bullshit where you are trying to argue that unsafe practices are somehow some kind of elite talent...Get off the gas pedal with the bullshit bro. Anybody with a bit of legit experience on this forum will call your bullshit man. Just because you've been doing this for X amount of years doesn't necessarily mean you've been doing it the right way. This trade is already dangerous enough to have dickheads like you spouting out nonsense to the less experienced and getting them seriously inured or killed. Now, don't come back on here trying to say I'm not skilled enough and blah blah blah... Sell your trash somewhere else sir. Nobody here seems to be interested in buying it.
I don't think Daniel understands that the swinging dutchmen portion of the cut is all in the undercut... He seems to think that any time one clears some of their hinge during their back-cut that they have just executed a swinging dutchy....Wrong.....
Daniel came here seeking some attention and it seems he has found it.....
