DON'T EVEN TRY IT!

rico said:
If it looks like a slice cut, smells like a slice cut, tastes like a slice cut, and acts like a slice cut, its a fucking slice cut...It certainly ain't complicated Daniel......

We had a chance to have an intelligent conversation and talk about the mechanics of making a slice/salami/butt drop/strangle cut while aloft , and what those mechanics mean to a climber. Who knows, maybe we could have even turned this thread into a learning moment for some, and keep someone from hurting themselves? If only?
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Looks like slice cut with a notch so the top starts to move then drops like a spear. I see what Daniel is saying but its basically the same. The tip can still hit the other tree and come back at you. Hardly a need to rename it and claim its something entirely different. I can do the same thing with a normal closed notch and when the hinge breaks give the butt a push. I notice he isnt standing in his hooks making the cut. I dont need these kinda of silly tricks anyhow because i will climb up and cut a christmas tree then chunk it down in a fraction of the time it takes to set up a bucket truck and rig up all that nonsense.
 
My issue is trying to pick a fight. It’s pretty obvious that the title of this thread was clickbait. Finally got to watch the video and while the row of logs looks cool, I see nothing worth while.
I’ve done snap slice cuts, bore slice cuts which I triggered, I’ve even felled the tree which was hanging it up.
I’ve lifted 36” 150’ Doug firs from 45degress to near vertical to lower them off the hinge to clear targets and the tree it was hung in. I just call it work.
 
Creating complicated solutions to simple problems should be his slogan. I havent seen a single video that hasnt been straight forward tree work made complicated. Too revisit, a dutchmen is when one of your cuts in the notch bybasses the the other cut. Didnt see that in Pats video. Did see him cut a sizwheel. Am i missing something?
 
owScott said:
Why post info that people are told not to use? Knowing its going to create controversy then criticize people for disputing its legitimacy.
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Because its cool to watch something that you aren't going to see otherwise. People post videos of racing motorcycles, surfing monster waves, and jumping out of ballons at 128,000 feet. No one criticizes those people for setting a bad example or acting recklessly. These guys are experts that have overcome the inherent risks of such acts with their practice, preparation, understanding, and skill.

So it is with this cut. Guys that can't pull it off, rather than admit their lack of ability, call it dangerous. Guys that can pull it off call it nothing new or "just work". There is a certain irony in having these two criticisms leveled simultaneously. I wonder if other skydivers call Felix Baumgartner's acts dangerous or accuse him of seeking attention? One thing for sure is they can't say that his feats are nothing new or "just work".

No one showed me this cut, nor have I ever heard of anyone using this cut. It doesn't mean others haven't. It is a combination of the slice cut and the Humboldt notch, with some very important properties. I understand the cuts limitations and as such can feel confident enough to trust my life to it. I have taken bigger tops with wider spreads from the hooks. As with many of the cuts I've developed, this is the first time the cut has been published.
 
I havent heard anyone on this thread say they lack the skill to pull it off. They all just seem sensible enough to not purposely make bad cuts that have potential to really mess them up. There are things called BMP's that I am sure you have heard of, but this cut is definitely fitting into that. I totally understand that you are making these videos to potentially give someone an option in a certain scenario, but given a scenario where this may work there are many others that would work better in many ways.
 
I certainly lack the skills to pull off those Earth-shattering techniques, even if I'm calling them the wrong name.

Names. I'm good at making them up. Very good. I've got very good people working in it.
You know, I invented names. Names and trees. Trees, good people working on them.

I made a really good deal. A good deal. A really good deal on selling in the rights to having invented trees. Trees and chainsaws. I invented chainsaws.

Make no mistake. A good deal.

I invented the slice cut. I did. And let me tell you about it. I worked very hard on it. It came out great. Keeps Americans working.

Anyone who says I didn't, I'll bomb them. Bomb wood on them. There may be negligible side-lean that I'll make into a huge deal. They'll pay for it. They will. They will.

I'll fell the tree right on them. That way they will know it came from me,
the inventor or trees, and tree felling.
I can cut a notch in under 10 minutes. Everyone else would take 3 days. You're incapable, so you wouldn't understand.
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with the cut. It's only man that makes it so. Which brings us back to lack of ability. At some level ability and confidence merge. It doesn't matter how much ability a cutter has if he doesn't have the confidence to use it. Take for example a highly-skilled logger that simply refuses to take a chance on damaging a house in a suburban falling scenario. All his skill is worthless in that scenario if he doesn't have the confidence to use it.

I have had the confidence to trust my life to this cut several times. people that don't have the confidence in their ability to make this cut are going to seek other options and call those options "better".
 
Daniel said:
It is a combination of the slice cut and the Humboldt notch,
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So were 3 pages in and Daniel finally uses the phrase "slice cut".. Amazing.....


Can anyone please explain to me why we are taking falling/cutting lessons from a man who makes cuts like these, then has the nerve to question the skills and abilities of others? Fucking please....

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Nice play on using the play structure for a little cushion Daniel.
 
Daniel said:
Because its cool to watch something that you aren't going to see otherwise. People post videos of racing motorcycles, surfing monster waves, and jumping out of ballons at 128,000 feet. No one criticizes those people for setting a bad example or acting recklessly. These guys are experts that have overcome the inherent risks of such acts with their practice, preparation, understanding, and skill.

So it is with this cut. Guys that can't pull it off, rather than admit their lack of ability, call it dangerous. Guys that can pull it off call it nothing new or "just work". There is a certain irony in having these two criticisms leveled simultaneously. I wonder if other skydivers call Felix Baumgartner's acts dangerous or accuse him of seeking attention? One thing for sure is they can't say that his feats are nothing new or "just work".

No one showed me this cut, nor have I ever heard of anyone using this cut. It doesn't mean others haven't. It is a combination of the slice cut and the Humboldt notch, with some very important properties. I understand the cuts limitations and as such can feel confident enough to trust my life to it. I have taken bigger tops with wider spreads from the hooks. As with many of the cuts I've developed, this is the first time the cut has been published.
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Daniel, I think you are vastly over stating the skill required to make this cut. What are the very important properties? A deep Humboldt notch with the top cut at an angle so it breaks the hinge before the top leans too far then the butt drops like a spear/slice cut. Also guys have been clearing snags from the ground using snap cuts, notches, peel cuts etc for decades without making videos because its low level, basic tree work.
 
pat clearly cut the far side of the hinge off. he didn't need it and was working a bar somewhat shorter than the hinge. if you missed that, you weren't paying attention. hill was too steep for him to stand on the far side of the hinge 20200216_181534.webp
 
Daniel said:
Because its cool to watch something that you aren't going to see otherwise. People post videos of racing motorcycles, surfing monster waves, and jumping out of ballons at 128,000 feet. No one criticizes those people for setting a bad example or acting recklessly. These guys are experts that have overcome the inherent risks of such acts with their practice, preparation, understanding, and skill.

So it is with this cut. Guys that can't pull it off, rather than admit their lack of ability, call it dangerous. Guys that can pull it off call it nothing new or "just work". There is a certain irony in having these two criticisms leveled simultaneously. I wonder if other skydivers call Felix Baumgartner's acts dangerous or accuse him of seeking attention? One thing for sure is they can't say that his feats are nothing new or "just work".

No one showed me this cut, nor have I ever heard of anyone using this cut. It doesn't mean others haven't. It is a combination of the slice cut and the Humboldt notch, with some very important properties. I understand the cuts limitations and as such can feel confident enough to trust my life to it. I have taken bigger tops with wider spreads from the hooks. As with many of the cuts I've developed, this is the first time the cut has been published.
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Daniel, I think you are vastly over stating the skill required to make this cut. What are the very important properties? A deep notch with the top cut at an angle so it breaks the hinge before the top leans too far then the butt drops like a spear/slice cut.
Daniel said:
pat clearly cut the far side of the hinge off. he didn't need it and was working a bar somewhat shorter than the hinge. if you missed that, you weren't paying attention. hill was too steep for him to stand on the far side of the hinge View attachment 65447
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Yes he did, never said he didnt but that has nothing to do with a dutchmen. Clearing that side of they hinge helped engage the sizwheel.
 
I love it when Rico gets in Daniels shit!!! Lol. My take on Daniels vids is take them as they are. He probably knows more about cutting than I do but I know bullshit when I see it. There is no need in posting a video that a young climber will watch and get hurt or worse. There's only a select few on YouTube that I watch for education. Daniel isn't one. I'd hate for someone to see me do something stupid and they try it and get killed. It's just common sense not to post stuff like that. Nothing personal Daniel just my opinion.
 
Daniel said:
There is nothing inherently wrong with the cut. It's only man that makes it so. Which brings us back to lack of ability. At some level ability and confidence merge. It doesn't matter how much ability a cutter has if he doesn't have the confidence to use it. Take for example a highly-skilled logger that simply refuses to take a chance on damaging a house in a suburban falling scenario. All his skill is worthless in that scenario if he doesn't have the confidence to use it.

I have had the confidence to trust my life to this cut several times. people that don't have the confidence in their ability to make this cut are going to seek other options and call those options "better".
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That is a load of hucky pucky. Thats called listening to your inner judgement. Take the path of least potential damage. Let it be heard you said take a CHANCE. I dont have to resort to CHANCE because i have skill. People dont hire me to take chances and make useless videos, they hire me not to break shit. Taking chances are for people without skill and ability. Not trusting my life to 1 cut and seeking other options is the definition of better IMO. Admitting trusting your life to this cut is saying if it goes wrong you may die which makes Rico's point, dangerous.
 
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