Contract climbing/ Subbing

I'm looking for some info and advice on the ins and outs of subbing. How does one get started? Should I just start cold calling companies? I have my own small business but I'm just starting out and want to keep warm and strong through the winter. Should I be concerned about subbing for my competition?? I admit my ignorance on this matter so please help!
Thanks
-Ted
 
The only guys I consider my competition are the fly-by-night hackers that undercut established, ethical professionals. The companies I work with are really just a large network of arborists. Select your contractors based on the type and quality of work you want to do. Birds of a feather... If you work with knowledgable professionals, you will attract more of the same.
 
If you dont have it, get liability insurance first thing. That is the most important tool. Then just make a couple of calls to a few companies that you respect. Not too many. My price is is set on how hungry I am and how does it compete with working my own jobs. They get the credit for your work. That is a big downside, you also have no contact with the customer whatsoever. Your customer is the contractor.

In a sense, this is usefull because it leads to networking amongst tree companies and opportunities for you to learn from them and them to learn from you. Everyone in this business has some cool tricks of their own. We shouldnt necessarily view eachother as competition. they obviously cant climb trees like you, so you are in a different businesses, they are in the debris management business. You are hiring them to do your dirty work. They also do the hard work of getting jobs, dealing with money, just so you can maintain your climbing habit. It is important to maintain your independence though.

The hard thing I find about subbing is staying engaged in that process. It can be hard to say "no, i wont cut that tree down" Or "its snowing and icy and I am not going outside today for once". It can be difficult to get people to put on hard hats or safety glasses or call "underneath!". You have to though. It is your insurance your working on. There are a few companies that I really like the people, but no one ever puts on a hardhat and it makes me too uncomfortable. My price is too high for them now.

Just bring your best. Use your own equipment, let it be known that if the ground guy puts a chainsaw through your rope, it needs to be replaced. Climb some trees.
 
fly by nighters are not competition the are annoyances,
when you enter say, a climbing competition all competitors compete by the same rules and are judged by the same standards. uninsured un qualified underpriced hackers should not even be considered in the same catagory!!!!!!!!!
 
Definatley get the liabilty ins. and have your gear ready to go at any time. I have been there and done that i still do. The bettter quallity guys will see your workand definatley call ya . ISA and TCIAare good helps to that does show the bosses that ya care about doing things right.
As for the hackers well they just dont matter in my book of things to care about. Most of the hackers in my area are loggers who want to be cool.
Nate
 
Working with other companies and climbers is actually one of the attractions of contract climbing. Having Insurance is well worth it, like Treebing said... and important tool.

The down side is working with people, especially ground crew who are an unknown.

Everybody gets their own business and sometimes you need help to get a big job or one that needs equipment you don't have.

Hand out business cards at every opportunity.
 
So...do all you sub types have "ghost"certificates for WC? Those companies would have to pay premiums on you, right? My WC company is on me like stink on shat about subs.....therefore I only sub cranework. I was just wondering how they pull it off....pay under the table?
 
Since I am a Sole Proprietor/ Independent, I don't need workers comp. Every insurance agent knows this but if someone really wanted me to pull workers comp. on myself, I would have to pay for a ghost policy that doesn't actually cover me! It's just a piece of paper and money spent!
 
I already have a business set up as a sole proprietor with my girlfriend as my partner so we both legally do jobs. My understanding is the same as tlhamel: sole proprietor does not need workers comp. I have liability insurance already. I guess I just need to make some calls.
Thanks everybody
Ted
 
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My understanding is the same as tlhamel: sole proprietor does not need workers comp.

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It depends on how independent you are as a contractor. What equipment you provide to do a job. Some Companies Ins carriers will want to fill out a form describing the nature of the service you provide and specifically stating that you are an Independent Contractor who is denying coverage under their customer's policy.

We currently sub out stump work and the guy we use has had to fill out one of these forms for the past two years. The crane operator we use carries a WC policy that covers himself and his son.
 
It depends on how independent you are as a contractor. What equipment you provide to do a job. Some Companies Ins carriers will want to fill out a form describing the nature of the service you provide and specifically stating that you are an Independent Contractor who is denying coverage under their customer's policy.




This is confusing to me.
 
It depends on how independent you are as a contractor. Do you provide equipment to do a job? Meaning the tools of your trade. Ropes, blocks, saws, etc. If you bring a substantial amount of equipment to someone else's job, this sets you apart from that Individual/Company that is hiring you as a sub. On the other end of the spectrum is an employee who is provided with everything they need to do their job. In the instance of our Stump Guy, he brings whatever grinder, tools, and PPE he needs to do the job. We provide nothing to him except the address.

Some Company's Insurance carriers will want the Sub-contractor to fill out a form describing the nature of the service they are providing. On this from the Sub specifically states that they are an Independent Contractor who is denying coverage under the hiring company's WC policy. Again, in the case of our Stump Guy, he fills out this form establishing himself as an Independent Contractor. This in turn keeps our company from having to pay for Worker Comp Ins on all of the money we have paid out to Stump Guy over the course of the year.

Hope thats a little clearer.
 
Got it. Thanks. I would be self sustained. My saws, my rigging, my climbing gear, and of course my ppe. It seems like the form you are talking about is a CYA agreement.
 
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Since I am a Sole Proprietor/ Independent, I don't need workers comp. Every insurance agent knows this but if someone really wanted me to pull workers comp. on myself, I would have to pay for a ghost policy that doesn't actually cover me! It's just a piece of paper and money spent!

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Ohh Taylor- that reminds me.....
 
Your agent can call my agent.
You won't get anything from me!
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I've subbed for a number of "companies" in the past. The problem is they don't see eye to eye with me on ANYTHING for the most part. Gotta get out of it. I've got my paper work together... they don't.

Seeing as how I hate doing clean-up work, it might be nice to just go with my own guy and get stuff down... have the other company come in after the fact to handle the heavy stuff. But that won't always work out too well.
 
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Since I am a Sole Proprietor/ Independent, I don't need workers comp. Every insurance agent knows this but if someone really wanted me to pull workers comp. on myself, I would have to pay for a ghost policy that doesn't actually cover me! It's just a piece of paper and money spent!

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My comp co requires subs to pay or me on their cost. No if ands or buts. No forms either.Its NY state.
 
I can verify what Allmark said for both NY and Vermont if you are a sub and can't provide me with a certificate of Workers Comp insurance then when they do my audit I have to pay workers comp on you.When I moved to Vermont it was a big factor in the cost of my insurance if I was going to use sub-contractors.I no longer use any sub-contractors.And a "cheapy" comp policy for Landscaping doesn't cut it.
 

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