Climbing Manual

Hey I'm not knocking reinventing the wheel; it's the best way to know how to make a wheel. and who know the new one may roll better.

re the ctw, I agree it has to be a stripped-down version of climbing so it is less complicated to test. Nick, don't have a conniption old buddy, folks are free to move on to splittails etc any time. Or not. My tautline almost never binds, and yes using it with the tail to redirect is an essential skill imo.

Mahk, Bill moved on to private consulting, the Holy Grail for all arborists hahahaha. He'll be presenting the experience at the Morris Arb w lightning protection at the symposium next month. Come on down!

does Downey install lightning protection? Want to have Ben show your guys his Arborbolt system? We can pass through Atlanta...
 
Rich you're absolutely right about teaching being the best way to learn.

Travis, in your search for knowledge may you leave no stone unturned, it will lay the foundation for a truly professional career and will surely have a positive influence on those you are trying to educate. I didn't mean to suggest you should abandon your project, but maybe you need to find a new twist like maybe catering a training program to specific individuals or groups and starting by assessing the student's current knowledge base and developing specific training goals.

As for reinventing the wheel, keep in mind it has been done, imagine how your car would handle with wooden spoked wagon wheels?
 
Does anybody else know the climber who does fine with their own set-up, but is grounded for lack of a carabiner or spliced line?

There seems to be so much emphasis now days on new techniques and gizmos that some folks are skipping the basics. How many new climbers can get into a tree with only their climb line? I know you'd not want to sit in a bow-line on a bight for long if you had another option, but you should know how.

I'd like to see a manual that teaches the old school methods as well as the new. 'Course I'd also like to find a readable history of arboriculture, with personal accounts from some of the characters that have helped us get to where we are today. Mr. Blair, please sharpen up your pencil.

Louie Hampton
 
Louie have you read the Campana book? It's on my shelf but I haven't read it. the Legends of Arboriculture video is fun to see imo. I dunno if Don's got another book in him, tho he did write a nice piece on shigo. Would Don try to reinvent Campana's wheel?

As for the basics, right on. I have a helper who went new school and he is S-L-O-W. Too much crap in his lap!
 
Thanks for the heads-up... I am making a more personal manual for our specific needs at the arboretum. They will (no doubt) change it as the program advances as new people add to the programs. I'm just one cog in the wheel so-to-speak.

The Tree Climber's Companion is a wonderful tool for beginners and we have recommended it to students in our classes. As with any author, one will have aspirations of creating something a little different from a more personal viewpoint, in my case the same still applies. Thanks to Bill we have a good base to build upon.

Travis
 
Thanks Rich,

One knot seemed to catch my attention in your post that might be worth discussing as a group...

The Bowline knot is definitely one knot that all climbers should know before even thinking of getting off the ground. One interesting addition to the knot you mentioned is the Yosemite tie-off.

Is this knot used (mostly) in split-tail and eye an eye systems? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the knot verses simply tying a figure eight or another variant in its place?

Thanks again,
Travis
 
Hello,

Bill decided to leave the arboretum in order to focus on his consulting business full-time. We all wish him well.

The Tree Climber's Guide covers the training gamut. What I am focusing on at this time is the hands on climbing portion. We still cover basic tree physiology/biology and other chapters in the book, but publication on these subjects is yet to be determined...

Travis
 
Hello,

Bill decided to leave the arboretum in order to focus on his consulting business full-time. We all wish him well.

The Tree Climber's Guide covers the training gamut. What I am focusing on at this time is the hands on climbing portion. We still cover basic tree physiology/biology and other chapters in the book, but publication on these subjects is yet to be determined...

Travis
 
Thank you very much... If I can have any information, as far as the certification requirements, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Travis
 
The bowline is on the way out as tie in knot because it is not a cinching knot. The preferred knots at the present is cinching knots like i.e double fishermans noose. These knots holds the biner in correct position and reduces risk of gateloading. Bowline is great for rigging though.
Svein
 
Basic climbing knots that I teach in my classes are 4wrap english prussik, double fisherman and fisherman termination knot. When students are confident in trees I introduce Diestl and VT as an option. Tautline and blakes are relics and are only being demonstrated.
Svein
 
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Relics? Svein, what knot do you use when you use your tail as a second tie-in?
 
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The bowline is on the way out as tie in knot because it is not a cinching knot. The preferred knots at the present is cinching knots like i.e double fishermans noose. These knots holds the biner in correct position and reduces risk of gateloading. Bowline is great for rigging though.
Svein

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I agree!
 
Ops, didn´t intend to hurt anybody´s feelings. When using the other end for a second tie in point I use another prussikloop. I guess the Blake and Tautline is a traditional thing. Treeclimbing in Norway is so new that we don´t have this tradition so we don´t teach the use of it. The only time in my mind it can be useful is if you drop both your prussiks and all your biners unabling you to descend. Thats a lottery chance.
Svein
 
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Basic climbing knots that I teach in my classes are 4wrap english prussik,

Tautline and blakes are relics
Svein

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Sorry Svein, I know you've been over this already but, the Blakes hitch is the greatest climbing knot ever invented.

A far superior knot to the English Prussik.

The Blakes Hitch is simply unbeatable, and yes I have tried Distel, VT, Icicle, Swabisch, etc, these knots are for hairdressers
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The Blakes is the original no-nonsense king of knots.

Give it a try.
 
Sorry did I forget to mention that Blakes Hitch =
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Long Live the Blakes Hitch!
 
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