cited by osha

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Now I don't know you BOYS over there in the Netherlands so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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[sarcastic mode] Thanks, I glad to hear that. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif [/sarcastic mode]

I can tell you that Dutch work sites are rarely sited. They have just not enough personal to go around on every spot. Is there a particular reason that they site especially treework on youre side of the pond? Also i got a little confused that you guys seem to work and use with high tech and innovating climbing/rigging material and when its up to personal safety there's (seems to be)a big gap. I'm working with a chainsaw for 20 years now. From my 12th year when i started with a 024WB i used sawpants, helmet, visor or glasses, earcaps, gloves, workboots. In those 20 years i never cut my pants or boots or whatever part of me, but at many occasions they saved me from other trouble that could have caused harm. Its not always my fault that something goes wrong, i like to be safe when a fellow worker makes a mistake.

And for that inspector i like to say this, as i was approached like you told you where, i would be kind and neath and understanding. I can show all neccesary things or papers he want to see. (manuals, yearly equipment checks etc.) If the inspector is (keeps) really unhabitable i just ask for his supervisors phonenumber to ask if this behaviour is normal. If not (getting the number)then i will file a formal complaint. (did that, done that, seen that before)

I wil keep saying working without the propper PPE is not good and unproffesional (in the netherlands for sure and my opinion). I see it like this, i have an oldtimer car without regulated need for safety belts. I installed them anyway to be safe in it. Not that i will drive it on a tree, but other drivers can make a collition with me.

I mentioned it before, how does a medical/healthcare/income insurance deal with an accident if no PPE was used in propper way or not at all. (owh yeah, why the hell insurance if in 25 years nothing happend at all /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif) ooops sarcastic mode was off /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I wish you the best in work as how you practise it. Its youre choise and who the hell am i to tell you different /forum/images/graemlins/aaa.gif /forum/images/graemlins/aaa.gif /forum/images/graemlins/aaa.gif

Im off to Paris this weekend.
 
Wow Ronald,

Don't get sarcastic but tell it how it is. You don't need to put anyone down.

I was wondering the same as you about the regulations.
There are (I heard) many regulations in America for the instalation of cabling, but I think that has to do with liability. That has nothing to do with selfpreservation.
By the way, I can do better than you Ronald /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif In my classic car I even installed safety belts on the back seat (but that had to do with my driving style and the fact that it was a Mini Moke that has no side panels. In my case only a roll over cage).

O yes, my post was a reply on Nathan. Nathan they also come in orange.

Yes I am wearing stretch air and I knew there would be no chainsaw in sight all day.

Wolter /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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Wow Ronald,

Don't get sarcastic but tell it how it is. You don't need to put anyone down.

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apologies to all that are feeling putting down by me.

umh... That wasn't ment personal to any in any way, its more a feeling i got on my own writing after reading it before posting.... So for who it concerns, it doesnt mind to me what you do or not(or in fact it does but what can i do to change the attitude towards using propper PPE then discussion it?), i just like to say that you guys that do tree work for profession can only make the difference between "professional" treeworkers and "tree demolitioners" by working and presenting yourself as a up to date with al safety in mind and using the right and available things for the right purposes craftsman. Only when all will work by standarized regulations (pfiew can that be done in the USA?) you can make an uniform profession that can compete with others in the bussines the same fair way. Or make your profession more liable by making qualifications that state and regulate a way to work,handel and minimum knowledge to treecare as a arborist has to know. (isa certified arborist?)

Remember i stick to the fact that working with chainsaws has a compulsory to wear the propper PPE. Also that innovations, progress and new stuff that improves safety, methods, tree awarenes, or is better to treehealth in common should be made a new standard in use. We all did it different when we started in this bussines, but times and methods and equipment changes fast. So keep up with it and if better ways to work/rig/cable or what ever crosses the path we are on, be flexible and make the change in benefit of youreself, coworkers and tree's for most.


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Yes I am wearing stretch air and I knew there would be no chainsaw in sight all day.

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Those pfanner pants are the biggest! I do about 2 years 6 days a week with one pant. The earlier green and heavy stierman pants lasted only 2 months and they where ripped apart.

Darn, have to pack my bags, early rising tomorrow at 4.30 am /forum/images/graemlins/aaa.gif
 
Part of the American psyche is a left over from the Wild West. The government is "back east" and we know what's best for us. We weigh out the pros and cons and selectively adopt regulations as we see fit. That's find and dandy until the Tin Badge Sheriff comes along and starts to enforce the law. Then we bristle.

Does the employer provide PPE to the employee or do the workers have to buy their own?

Butt strap saddles without the thigh straps are still allowed by our safety standards, ANSI Z133. One of the rumored reasons is that large companies provide saddles to the employees. The non thigh strap saddles save the company a few dollars every time one wears out. I don't understand that from a production point. Every time I've ever seen someone use one of those saddles they have to move the buttstrap down whenever they move. Taking those few seconds times how many times per day adds up to a loss of production. Negates any savings on the saddle purchase.
 
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Part of the American psyche is a left over from the Wild West. The government is "back east" and we know what's best for us. We weigh out the pros and cons and selectively adopt regulations as we see fit. That's find and dandy until the Tin Badge Sheriff comes along and starts to enforce the law. Then we bristle.

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Ok i understand this, i like a free spirit.

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Does the employer provide PPE to the employee or do the workers have to buy their own?

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In the netherlands the employer is obligated to provide the PPE thats needed for the job. one time job or frequent, no difference he has to provide them. As employe i have to take care of the PPE the propper way and i am to wear and use it. We (our company)also work with extra safety standards (VCA, = safety certificate contactors)that regulates that every tool/saddle/car/trailor/what ever is yearly checked for safety and properly booked. (obligation from big companies (like DOW chemicals)and governments to have this certificate) And we work under ISO standards.

rgrds
 
bah i cant even google these. and thanks for site but its mostly informational i still cant find a shopping cart or price tag /forum/images/graemlins/9lame.gif

ok i found a cart and a 117. i think thats uero? i dont know whats that 159 bucks US?
 
here a product range of pfanner saw protection. This is from a dutch shop where i buy. I use the pants and boots. The boots are heavy but it are the best i ever had. the blackish pants right low are even with kevlar in it.

[edit 1=] Pfanner website

[edit 2=] That price of 117 = in englisch pounds, no euro's! In Holland those pants are 175euro. xtra long legs 191euro. kevlar 198euro extra long legs again 219euro....

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Tinman, I think Mr Chisholm recently bought a pair of stretchairse trousers from proclimber. Maybe he would be kind enough to say what they cost after conversion to $$ + shipping etc.
 
i think i may get a pair with the extra keprotec in june....i'll defintely be buying another pair either them, or the blue ones.....im still undecided wether the red ones look too gay for someone of my straightness /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
i was in one of my local suppliers yesterday and he was showing me a brochure of some new trousers. they were a total rip off of stretch air..they were red, with the black kneepad and made of a corduroy material, just minus the stretch air breatahable material i guess.......they were cheap too, like the price of a normal type A trouser. i forget the name of them
 
tinman,for starters you need to add 17.5% vat to that 117....makes it about 140.
thats $265. id safely add $15 to that for shipping.
im guessing around $280
 
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i.....im still undecided wether the red ones look too gay for someone of my straightness /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif


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The lady doth protest too much!

Also the name of the graemlin you used is "confused" is there something your trying to say steve?

What happened to you last weekend, no show! I thought you were all set to come for the day? You missed me bleeding more than the casualty after my aerial rescue demonstration!
 
i know, sorry mate......whole family was ill. me and the baby both ended up in hospital for 2 days a piece this week, just got out thursday. went back to work yesterday but it was a bit of a struggle.
you going to capel friday?? im definetly not going to miss this one.
 
Mark I have to find out what you're doing at home. If I told my wife that I wanted to spend $280.00 on one pair of pants she would laugh directly into my face. /forum/images/graemlins/argroo.gif
 
$280 might seem like some expensive pants but there are ways of justifying the money. Find out how many stiches someone got from a chainsaw and the cost of the repair. Divide the number of stiches by the cost and then divide the price of the pants by the result. I'll bet the pants would be pretty cheap.

If you ever see the wound from even a small chainsaw cut those pants will look pretty stylish.
 
Good points Tom. I am getting very used to wearing chainsaw protection all of the time. Hard to not wear them even when just pruning.

My 4 yr old daughter says that I look like this guy from one of her shows when I wear the blue Stretch Airs:
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I wanted to change my posting and didn't have time this morning.

I'm not sure I'd let those clowns in that pic near my daughter!

Dan
 
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