Cinching Up with a Second Laynard During Removal- mechanical vs friction knot vs running bowline

megadosevitaminc said:
I just clip my climb line onto itself with a carabiner. my rope wrench and vt single rope I can bail out if needed. I just slide it up as I go. Or down ad I go.
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Ditto, usually Akimbo or HH but same deal.
SRT devices make it dead simple now.

I don’t really see anything wrong with using a bowline but all my climbing ropes already got carabiners tied on the end.
Pretty much just when working a spar down.
 
Jonny said:
Ditto, usually Akimbo or HH but same deal.
SRT devices make it dead simple now.

I don’t really see anything wrong with using a bowline but all my climbing ropes already got carabiners tied on the end.
Pretty much just when working a spar down.
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Same here with the HH2, great tool really.
 
Not a dumb question. It depends what you’re using as an adjuster. A plain hitch, no it’ll grip too hard and won’t release, and if it does move even a few inches, it makes a lot of heat very quickly, at least in my experience.
If you use any multicender or a suitable belay device it’ll work good. I use Hitchhiker 2 and Akimbo on lanyard sometimes and they’re good, and usually use a Trango Cinch belay device on my lanyard. Bet Petzl Grillon would work good too.
Also check out the Sticht hitch for something very inexpensive that can almost do it all. I should take my own advice too, I haven’t tried the sticht yet.

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I descend on mine with a vt and rope wrench. I just make sure the carabiner is facing out. Not sure if it's the right way. I usually will put an alpine butterfly or bowline and back it with a second knot with a carabiner. I have used the carabiner bynitself but it gives me a not as fuzzy feeling that waym
 
I tend to use an atc with prusik above it as auto block. I like the set and forget of the hitch when working spar and the atc takes the pressure off the prusik. To work , should lock off the device, so doing two half hitches on top of an atc is fast and easily removed when want to move.

I see a lot of videos whereby the multicender isn’t locked off, or soft locked, when cutting.
Has anyone taken a minor slip on the rope by just hanging on the rope without locking off?
 
DSMc said:
No need to lock off a tool like the HH, and I believe you would find it better, in almost every way than how you have been doing it.
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No doubt, but the question was really targeting the akimbo users and rope runner users, as when on a spar there is often times of unloading, then reloading, the rope. Hence if no lock, or soft lock, is used the mechanical technically is window dressing as a second point of attachment if it releases in those conditions.

I have plans to get these tools after more bills are paid, but in the meantime asking for feedback on security when working spars...
 
Wrangler said:
Hey Jack, something to consider, I use uniscender clipped right to rings of my bridge on my sequoia ( u have to let adjustments all the way out so that two rings come together)
I’m not sure how good would work on other saddles but this setup gets me cinched up close to tree. Then I use running bowline on climbing line,long tail if I want it remotely retrievable
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It is my understanding that a carabiner should not be loaded in this fashion (3 axis)
 
I believe that under normal forces this very unlikely to fail, but should Murphy rear his ugly head, think about one of those rings loading on the gate.
 
Wrangler said:
Hey Jack, something to consider, I use uniscender clipped right to rings of my bridge on my sequoia ( u have to let adjustments all the way out so that two rings come together)
I’m not sure how good would work on other saddles but this setup gets me cinched up close to tree. Then I use running bowline on climbing line,long tail if I want it remotely retrievable
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Depending way it sits and the angle formed and comparing to rigging chart seems could be 1.5x to 1.75x the load normally experienced on the rings...
 
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