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don't know why, but I'm feeling a bit piraty,argh

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Whatever floats your boat matey!

I got mine from Germany, but you may see them available here in 2006. You could just order them from Germany if you dont want to wait?

I also wear the Phanner's and the SIPS. Both work great for me.
 
NO WAY. Too bulky and unsafe. It might be a good idea for a beginner climber doing a non-technical removal. Good for those people that can't control their saw movements precisely enough. Seriously though, chaps would make ME more unsafe in a tree. I know I'd be getting snagged on things like crazy and I'd probably get so pissed off I'd do something wrong. Those of you that believe in chaps in a tree are probably the same ones that have had little nicks and warning cuts by your chainsaw, therefor, yes, you better keep using them. I have NEVER had a nick or thread cut on my clothing or skin from a running saw (maybe 19 years of using saws,12 of those years basically every day of the work week), Oh, and I'm talking about with the saw in my hands (once when I was 16, my younger brother cut my boot when I was pulling over a 5 foot pine while he cut). Knock on wood, and I believe someday statistically I have to cut some skin at some point, but I haven't. I really think some of us have more precise fine motor skills with a saw then others. Lets continue to give the climber the choice on wearing chaps in the tree! Some people should, some should not. And it's a NO for me.
 
I really agree with most of you that chaps are no good in trees or on the ground for that sake, but I really don´t get why you dislike using protective pants. Today there are at least three brands of protective wear that are comfortable to wear while climbing. They are with 5 or 6 layers and stretch fabric. I personally preffer Pfanner why they are not black and consequently not so hot as Sip and Stihl. The point is that there are no reason anymore for not using PPE in trees regarding pant - but then there always are the issue about protective boots----

Svein
www.hogstogrydding.no
 
At least in Norway regulations say that whenever a chain saw is used proper PPE should be used that is hard hat with eye and ear protection, protective pants and protective boots as a minimum. Insurance will not cover 100% of injury if PPE is not used. I gues US is "land of the free" and thats why some of you dislike PPE so much. It´s a provocation but nevertheless; why don´t you freeclimb?
Svein
www.hogstogrydding.no
 
does it reach 38 degrees celcius (100 for us land of the free-ers)with 95+% humidity /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif there in norway? Work a fer days in that weather and it might help you understand some of our feelings. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Relax guys! we're supposed to be friends here. Wearing saw protection is mandated in Norway, optional for us (for now).
We better start to get used to the idea just in case it becomes mandatory here too! This forum is the perfect place to share what we all know about the issue so we can all make informed decisions on products(comfort, durability, price,etc..).

Hey Mark, just how much stopping power does 4 layers have? ever run a test on 'em?

Anybody who thinks that just because they have never been cut means they don't need protection has got a serious machismo issue. Protection is for before the accident , not after. Imagine the motorcycle rider who crashes, gets banged up real bad, then decides maybe he should start wearing a helmet. I too have never cut myself after 15 years of chainsaw use(knock on wood), do I wear chaps? you bet. Also never been konked on the head by anything big, do I wear a hardhat?... My dad took a bad blow once, a 4" by 30' Oak limb came down from the sky and hit him right on top of his Bilsom, rolled down to dislocate his shoulder. It cracked the hat but not his skull. Maybe we should wear protection because of other peoples accidents, not our own.

I'll admit, just because you wear PPE doesn't make you safer, you've got to have a safety attitude.
 
Thanks raven, got a bit carried away but I got to admit that it is a bit strange to discuss weather to use PPE or not when there are really good products on the market. And for the record; I freeclimb too, mostly in Picea and abies with plenty of branches but I tie in before working the tree.
Svein
www.hogstogrydding.no
 
Mark, have you got those new stihl pants we were talking about a while ago? How do you find them?

My first pair went back after two days with three holes in the backside. The zip went on the next pair and so I got another pair and sold them! Generally I found they were too tight fitting so you need a size larger than usual in which case I might as well stick with my baggy SIP freedoms.

Anyway theres a pair of Pfanners in the post to me right now so I'll give those ago.
 
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