Care of Trees / Davey?

For all us TCOT people, I realize this merger is causing a lot of anxiety (it is for me too), but please, if you're going to bash someone, kindly back it up with some facts and have the decency to attach your name to it. And if you're going to spout facts, get it right.


Hows that for back up??? AS far as the name, I do work for TCOT for the time being but I have let my feelings known to you, and everyone else on here, as well as to Scott and everyone else that was around when Scott came to brake the wonderful news to us.
 
I agree with this, he can drive whatever he wants, if he pays for it with his money. When there is Lexus and BMW's being bought with MY money I have a problem with that. I said my money because as an employee owner thats what it is. John can have a plane, a mansion, 20 Harleys who cares as long as he buys it with his money. I dont want to hear that the President, CEO, CFO or who ever else has worked hard to get where they are and deserve to drive these pricey cars. What about driving the same cars that everyone else is driving, there no better then a manger or sales arborist.
 
No way, cant do that.. I need to speak the truth. I know the details about this and need to let it be known for the sake of all of my fellow "Family" at TCOT. We should all know the truth..
 
.....I will say it again... time to get a "good" attorney and pick this bird apart... that is before there is nothing left but bones...

I'm sorry Norm ( you were a huge part of the TCOT organization too)

... I'm not trying to stir the pot here.. just want to see the other hard working folks at TCOT get what they worked so hard for and rightfully deserve....

Sadly... no one has communicated (from the Ivory Towers in Chicago) where things stand.

I guess it ain't as employee owned as we were lead to believe.

Rats off a burning ship....
 
I really don't care about the car, what I do care is about leadership. When Ken stands in front of me and says we are going to a new car program to save money and improve our branding by putting logos on all the sales cars I believed that was a good idea. Then he gets a expensive black car with no logo....from the guy that preaches to set a good example. A Barlett friend told me he was in Aruba at the TCIA winter managment conference and never was seen in any of the meetings, managed to get a great tan though on our dime. What do the other companies think of us when they see us show up at puplic events like that. A IL. manager told me on Friday that his supervisor "works from home" a couple of days a week. Do the guys climbing trees get to work from home? Sorry not seeing leadership at corp or at the region level, really wish I did.
 
I agree that keeping the logo on the car is important, but if the guy on top has a more expensive car than one of his employees, isn't that the way it works in most companies? Why would TCOT be exempt from management heirarchy?

As far as someone who works from their home, it really doesn't matter where you are working from, as long as the job is getting done. If you need to climb a tree to get the job done, then climb a tree. If all you need to do is look at numbers and write memos, you can write a memo and push numbers from home just as easy as you can from a stuffy office. And personally, you would probably get more done from home right now anyway, with all the people at the office wanting to talk COT/Davey politics, what a distraction that would be to any productivity.

No matter if you work for TCOT (or Davey), if you want to keep your job, just do your job. In acquisitions, it is usually the executives who are offerred a lesser position or eliminated first. Then the slackers, who sit around not working but whining about everything they don't have, that get let go. Don't fool yourselves. Davey will eventually figure out who works more or less than others.

Life usually gives you what you make out of it, as a COT employee, you can either embrace this as a positive change and an awesome opportunity, or you can sit around feeling sorry for yourself and bash current and former employees.
 
Igotscrewed, tired of taking it? Then get out from under the big guy and start your own. Then you too can build a company from scratch. We'll be waiting to hear how it goes.
 
"but please, if you're going to bash someone, kindly back it up with some facts and have the decency to attach your name to it."

Got to agree with Dan on this one. It is pretty easy to throw stones when you hide behind a mask. If you are going to throw the stones be a man and stand behind what you say by putting your name and face behind it. You want people to know the truth, but who is going to believe the truth from a man wearing a mask.

So to this I say, strap on a pair or quit your squawking.
 
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"but please, if you're going to bash someone, kindly back it up with some facts and have the decency to attach your name to it."

Got to agree with Dan on this one. It is pretty easy to throw stones when you hide behind a mask. If you are going to throw the stones be a man and stand behind what you say by putting your name and face behind it. You want people to know the truth, but who is going to believe the truth from a man wearing a mask.

So to this I say, strap on a pair or quit your squawking.

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There's not even a mask, just words.

I have to say " I love what I do." Couldn't see myself doin anything else. TCOT's has given me a world of knowledge and skills.
John deserves to get top $ for what he has invested in his whole life. God bless him. John is well known throughout the industry. He has given, now it is time to give back. Go on and enjoy life John. We will keep the name going.
 
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"but please, if you're going to bash someone, kindly back it up with some facts and have the decency to attach your name to it."

Got to agree with Dan on this one. It is pretty easy to throw stones when you hide behind a mask. If you are going to throw the stones be a man and stand behind what you say by putting your name and face behind it. You want people to know the truth, but who is going to believe the truth from a man wearing a mask.

So to this I say, strap on a pair or quit your squawking.

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Theres no throwing of stones just facts. I know the truth hurts but it is what it is and I dont see anyone denying the fact I put out there. Its not about putting your name on something speak the truth.

I have absolutly nothing against John and what he does with his money. I actually thank him for giving me the chance to work for TCOT, and hope enjoys life. The one issue I do have is that 3 years ago in Florida John stood in front of the a room filled of dedicated employees and said "My plan is to sell of my shares of stock to all of you guys over the next 3-4 years and make myself the minority share holder" What happenend to that? If were employee owned dont we have a say? a vote? If I didnt care or believe in the care of trees and what they stand for I wouldnt be "squawking" I care therefore I speak.. So you can strap a pair on and show your name as well........
 
What the hell do you care your retiring at the end of the year anyway.. The field employees busted there backsides to get the company to where it is now, we are a company who has over 18% overhead, (I know Im wrong about this too) look at the numbers. With that much over head us hard working stiffs have to pick up the slack. It was mandantory for us to not take time off around the Holidays so we can bring the year in strong (acording to Scott) just to find out now that we did all that to have the carpet pulled from under our feet. Great.. So I gave up time with my Family to go to work and help the company I believed it to get screewed. GREAT

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Yes, I'm retiring (early next year), but to imply that I don't care tells me that you need to take a long ride on the clue bus - with no stops along the way.

If I didn't care, would I be responding to your verbal diarhea?

By the time I retire, I will have been with TCOT over thirty years. In my mind, that's enough time to spend with a company (no offense to the gentleman who's been with Davey for 32 years - more power to you). In addition, watching my mother die a slow death last year made me consider doing other things with my life while I still have time. But does a person work for a company for 30 years and not care?

If I didn't care, I would have left TCOT several months ago when I announced my retirement with no concern as to what I left behind.

Do you know what it's like to work with a group of people, whom I consider family, and 90% of them are convinced they're out of a job in the near future? Let me tell you, it's not easy. Believe me, if I didn't care I wouldn't be here.

Why do you refer to yourself and your fellow field staff as "working stiffs"? The field people I've met and worked with along the way were nothing less than professional and dedicated. If you consider yourself a working stiff, that's on you, but I think you're shortchanging your colleagues by saying that.

Sorry, got to go to work now and not care.

D.B.
 
I have never worked for either one of these companies but I admire those from TCOT you have their names on their profiles or have the gumption to put names on their posts. Yes feathers have been ruffled and everyone here is showing how macho they can be on a computer when they're anonymous. Both companies are reputable. There are pros and cons to either side. I am not partial to either side. I was looking into TCOT for a job upon graduation but I am gonna sit back and see where things play out. I think as far as Davey goes or any larger company it's not so much the company itself as the individual office location. The merger could be a good thing. There could be a greater sharing of business sense by one company, and a great sense of safety or efficiency in the other that could result in a greater good for the employees. I was told not to get into this with the politics that I might offend someone or alienate connections. I feel that what is happening instead of point fingers or blaming everyone or trying to be Mr. tough guy let things play out and go from there. If it's a good change and still seems a good fit then stay around if not then pack your bags and go elsewhere. Everyday things happen that we don't want to happen or that upset us. Let it go. Que sera sera, whatever will be, will be. So quit trying to tarnish the name of good people as well as the reputation of the treebuzz. The treebuzz is a place to network and learn and so far there is little to none of that in this thread.
Thank you,
Tyler Roehler
 
I have worked for The Care of Trees for almost 5 years and it has been one the best experiences. I'm very proud to work here. I've made wonderful friends who I would consider family.
I know that there are a lot of people who are unhappy with the Davey merger, I certainly have some reservations about it, but if that is what John wants to do it's his choice. He has started a new chapter in his life and he just wants to move on. He's in his 60's and he just wants to enjoy the rest of his life. He has spent the better part of his life building this company and our culture and if he wants to sell TCOT it's his perogative. We can have all the opinions that we want about what's going on but the reality is that this is a business move. People are taking it too personally. People have made rediculous comments on what kinds of cars that upper management drive, etc. Who the hell cares. They have worked hard to get where they are and they can drive what ever the hell they want. Some of you need to get a life and a job and move on. This merger will only be what we make of it. We can choose to make the best of it or the worst of it. We all have a choice. I chose to wait and see what happens. Change is not always bad.
 
PUClimber, this is real learning. We don't work in a vacuum outside of the real business world. Read this thread and understand how business works and it's impact on the individual at different levels of the organization.

In the working world you need to keep on top of both your professional skills and your business skills.
 
Yup... the funny part (amongst many) is if a sales rep. did not sell to cover his salary for 18 months he would be shown the door.

...Or if you were a climber that put a tree across a clients car... you would be shown the door.


But if you are the President of the company and it's been unprofitable for 8 years they sell the company, pat you on the back, and give you a huge serverance package.

And sell it!
 
All these posts show what a passion TCOT people
and most other tree guys have. I to will wait and
see what happens with Davey I hope for all great
things Jim
 
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I have never worked for either one of these companies but I admire those from TCOT you have their names on their profiles or have the gumption to put names on their posts. Yes feathers have been ruffled and everyone here is showing how macho they can be on a computer when they're anonymous. Both companies are reputable. There are pros and cons to either side. I am not partial to either side. I was looking into TCOT for a job upon graduation but I am gonna sit back and see where things play out. I think as far as Davey goes or any larger company it's not so much the company itself as the individual office location. The merger could be a good thing. There could be a greater sharing of business sense by one company, and a great sense of safety or efficiency in the other that could result in a greater good for the employees. I was told not to get into this with the politics that I might offend someone or alienate connections. I feel that what is happening instead of point fingers or blaming everyone or trying to be Mr. tough guy let things play out and go from there. If it's a good change and still seems a good fit then stay around if not then pack your bags and go elsewhere. Everyday things happen that we don't want to happen or that upset us. Let it go. Que sera sera, whatever will be, will be. So quit trying to tarnish the name of good people as well as the reputation of the treebuzz. The treebuzz is a place to network and learn and so far there is little to none of that in this thread.
Thank you,
Tyler Roehler

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Tyler,

After reading your post, I get the distinct impression that you have a very bright future to look forward to.

Good luck and good fortune!

D.B.
 
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