Cabling tree near power line

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Each J lag you've installed in softwood trees is a direct liability to your company, and a violation of the ansi300 cabling guideline.

[/ QUOTE ]Which standard are you talking about? I see no such language in ansi.

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If what you say is true?

Then ANSI has a very basic and fundamental problem indeed,

jomoco
 
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If what you say is true?

Then ANSI has a very basic and fundamental problem indeed,

jomoco

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I looked it up too. I didn't see it either. Jomoco, you should'nt misquote ANSI so flippantly. It is highly misleading and erodes confidence in your position.
 
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If what you say is true?

Then ANSI has a very basic and fundamental problem indeed,

jomoco

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I looked it up too. I didn't see it either. Jomoco, you should'nt misquote ANSI so flippantly. It is highly misleading and erodes confidence in your position.

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If ANSI thinks using J lags in softwood trees is cool they need to have their collective heads examined.

Perhaps MRI imaging will show what's loose in their skulls?

jomoco
 
It's just this sort of BS that gives ANSI and the ISA a black eye in my book.

I'd love to litigate this in court with the photographic evidence in my possession right now.

Hundreds of J lag failures across the whole industry endorsed by ANSI and the ISA, leading the way into 21st century arboriculture.

What a joke!

Come on you ANSI committee members, justify this BS in your standards if you can?

jomoco
 
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I looked it up too. I didn't see it either. Jomoco, you should'nt misquote ANSI so flippantly. It is highly misleading and erodes confidence in your position.

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Jomoco if you won't fork out $15. to find out what there is or is not in ANSI to beyotch about, all your beyotching is..........underinformed, to put it kindly.

Down here in the South they call that shooting off your mouth before your brain is loaded.

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Gee Guy, you make me feel so very uninformed and brainless, whatever will I do?

Poor dumb me, my world is crumbling!

You wouldn't happen to be the Guy in Mr. Rigguy would yu?

jomoco
 
Nope not me; just a consumer.

Sherrill's has a good deal--5 BMP's for $37.

Don't crumble your world. The truth will set you free.

Starting an argument over an ambiguous term like "softwood" (which you will never see in ANSI) indicates that you were fussing for the sake of fussing.

Moving on...
 
To deny the differences between softwood trees and hardwood trees is something even ANSI, the ISA and TCIA cannot quite pull off, particularly in light of the distinctions and values between the two different wood types having a rich history in the lumber and logging industries stretching back into history for thousands of years.

This is an argument well worth having simply as a hazard mitigation effort alone.

jomoco
 
kevin is saying the load on the j lags should be shear not in tension. meaning in laymans terms that you should put the lags on the outside of the leads (i don't agree due to astatic value and improper [i.e twisting] loading of the leaders in wind load) this is the proper loading for the maximum rated holding capacity for that anchor. furthermore the rigguy cabling system and the preformed wedge grip cabling system were adapted from the post tension concrete industry, where higher and more consistent loads are encountered. although maintenance and inspection are required on any permeant load bearing cable. there isn't a system that doesn't require maintenance in existence. on post tensioned concrete they have to inspect and retighten cables annually due to permanent cable stretch and periodically replace cables that are past their prime. that should also apply to the tree industry where loads are more dynamic and the range of motion is higher. if you think you can out design an engineer and come up with a permanent unmaintained cabling system you should sell it to the construction industry and become a millionaire. hell, suspension bridges require annual maintenance. my $5.00 worth.
 
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To deny the differences between softwood trees and hardwood trees ....is an argument well worth having simply as a hazard mitigation effort alone.

jomoco

[/ QUOTE ]Well you can keep having it then, but it may never be resolved as long as you are using terms like "hardwood" and "softwood", that can be defined many different ways.

ANSI says "weak wooded", which covers your concerns, and then some.

You may know cabling better than most, but you do not know the rulebook as well as anyone who has actually read it.
 
Cutting and pasting two separate sentences of mine together to bolster your weak position is a somehat lame way to debate an important subject Guy.

Go to a lumber mill and ask them if there are important differences between hardwood trees and softwood trees.

jomoco
 
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