In Ontario, specifically. Does it violate any provincial regulations for safe work practices to rig from a bucket while climber is occupying the same bucket? One of my colleagues just bought some old ass utility bucket / material handler and has been sending me photos of him lifting big logs out of a clients back yard with his climber in the bucket.
Bucket rigging
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Jeff
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- Marlborough, MA
I know nothing about provincial regs. But my question is, WHY? Why do this? There have been countless numbers of accidents, many detailed here on the Buzz, of booms breaking and falling or the rigging failures catapulting the operator into next week when operated like this. Sure, the material handlers are designed to do this, but why not just operate it from the lower controls and completely remove the risk to human life from the equation? I hope you can convince your colleague to wise up before he makes the Awakenings thread.
Dave Rohach
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He's a Damn Fool! I don't care where you're from the practice of rigging from a bucket is at least "Haphazard" & Eerily Dangerous! The hydraulics and booms are not even remotely designed to handle that type of load variance or drop rate. Is he a complete "Newbie"? Make sure to post the newspaper article of Bucket Truck Mishap! Because it's gonna happen, just a matter of when. This is a total common sense issue, which he is lacking!
I agree, I'm trying to convince him of the dangers and not to do it. But he's very stubborn. Twenty years my senior and thinks that he knows it all. I wanted to show him concrete regulations against why he shouldn't do it as
I think that's the only way he would stop if he thought he was violating some kind of ministry of labour reg.
I think that's the only way he would stop if he thought he was violating some kind of ministry of labour reg.
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classictruckman
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Material handlers are meant to pick static loads, they can't handle any sort of shock loading, and if he is using it to pick static loads from the ground within the limits of the chart he should at least be running it from the lower controls in case something does fail.
Dave Rohach
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Well, hopefully we won't be reading his obituary in the near future! That's sad, it gives all of us a black eye!
He's also trying to tell me that climbing is far more dangerous than what he's doing because of all the unknowns... I asked him if he carries a wood weight chart with him to help calculate the weight of the pieces he's having his climber pick with the bucket instead of just guessing. Nope.
deevo
Been here a while
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- Horseshoe Valley, Ontario, Canada
You got it, so when not if his boom fails and it will soon by the sounds of it hopefully he doesn't get whacked to hard so Drew can say see I told you stupid stupid stupid! Really though Drew it's a death sentence for him!
Jeff
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- Marlborough, MA
Ok, that's dumb. But, thats why smartphones have cameras: Take a picture of the chart and read it on the ground while operating the lower controls.
Daniel
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
He should be able to rig without shock loading.. maybe he is... maybe he isn't..
OP originally said picking up logs from the backyard... that's doesn't sound like dynamic rigging.. the problem with making mistakes in such scenarios is the price of failure can cost a life. Not advocating for the technique... just saying
OP originally said picking up logs from the backyard... that's doesn't sound like dynamic rigging.. the problem with making mistakes in such scenarios is the price of failure can cost a life. Not advocating for the technique... just saying
TimBr
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Just in case nobody has already said it...he could take a photo of the chart, print it out, get it laminated and post it by the lower controls.
Tim
classictruckman
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Have you read Pelorus' story of lifting a log from the ground while in the bucket? It didn't end well.
Daniel
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no... was he using a material handler???
in the end best advice is to follow manufacturer's recomendations
in the end best advice is to follow manufacturer's recomendations
Daniel
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I put a shackle on the lower boom eye on altec 75' elevator, when I got it maybe 5 years ago.. never used it once.. so maybe the best advice is to tell your buddy to get a skid loader..
"In Ontario, specifically. Does it violate any provincial regulations for safe work practices to rig from a bucket while climber is occupying the same bucket?"
Why don't you read the regulations yourself? You have not received a citation of chapter and verse yet so do a little digging.
Why don't you read the regulations yourself? You have not received a citation of chapter and verse yet so do a little digging.
I don't operate buckets, ever. But thanks for being so helpful. Also I already got my answer.
It does not violate any regulations to lift wood with a material handler while occupied.
I still think it's a dangerous and unnecessary practice though.
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