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Just my opinion of course but it looks to me like the tree moved towards the pull vehicle a slight bit giving in to the pull and rope stretch. It wasn't enough and with the truck not moving any further forwards the tree fell the way it was weighted. Looks like not enough hinge was left but Lombardy poplar may not have strong hinge wood. I see no evidence that the rope came untied or broke.
 
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After yet another review, I agree, the tree seemed to move very slightly toward the truck.
But not enough to slack the line that much, that quickly.

There were one or two cracks the instant the rope went slack. (hinge ?)

Still a rope related problem ?

Not THE cause, but related.
 
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I think the cracking sound was the hinge wood breaking. The rope slackening look normal to me. It would be interesting to know if the rope was still firmly tied to the tree and truck.
 
Maybe they didn't tie the attachment point to the truck correctly !? That could explain why there was a slight movement towards the truck-then the knot came undone-or off-which resulted in the line going slack and gravity taking over.
 
what a bunch of ass clowns. should have just climbed up and blown the tree in half so at least the distance of the crash zone would minimize. when we drop trees and I'm always skeptical on the big money cuts, ropes must be put in a pull line and a safety line for swing if needed. shitty hinge or not they set the line high get tension on that thing and floor it don't wait for jesus to flop it over. nice chip truck though lol
 
I don't see the rope coming off the truck, I would think it would pop off more than just go slack. The rope was taut and if it came off it should have had some dynamic release. But maybe I'm just not seeing it.
 
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Daniel said:
it wasn't taut... that's one of the oter mistakes.. If the rope was taut the tree wouldn't have been swaying in the wind
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you are right it wasn't really taut, but it wasn't slack before the tree started over. So the rope might have come off but still had some wrap or friction of some sort so the truck only began to tug at the rope before sliding all of the way through and therefore giving no pull to direct the tree. Although it looks a lot like the truck just didn't move enough to do much of anything. By the time the tree satarted over the truck would have had to peel out of there to catch up!
 
19 seconds thhe truck starts to move .. by 0:24 the rope hs gone slack and drifted into a slump as it would if only the weight of the rope and friction on the ground was holding it back. At exactly 0:24 the tree has not started moving. So the tree never got moved by the truck during the 5 seconds between 0:19-0:24
I woould guess that the rope was tied to the trailer hitch and the knot slipped off the hitch as soon as the truck started to move.. That's another thing to watch when pretensioning the rope.. make sure the knot and connection tothe truck are secure! Sometimes pretensioning with a good line is enough to get the tree to the lay!
 
It appears to me that the rope does influence the direction and then the hinge busts and it free falls toward street. The slack rope is a result of the tree traveling in a slightly 'truck' direction and mostly street direction. The tree probably had a slight back lean and the hammering on the wedges was the the guy panicking about it not starting to move yet...even though he had cut almost all of the way through his hinge. Not having the tension/pretension on the line to the truck, they started late pulling and as a result got the tree moving truckward bound but not enough to counter loosing the hinge and the wind factor and lean, and just about everything they didn't consider...aka they should not have been attempting this. I am making this all up, but I do feel that the line was at least taut and then went silly loose without s0much as a bounce. Could be what you say, but on my big screen on my computer at home, I can only see it going slack, not really seeing it come off. When it all comes down to it, there were enough things they did wrong that it is hard to pinpoint what made the tree go SO wrong.

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I'm thinking someone didn't tie the rope correctly. Maybe ringed a few wraps and didn't secure the tail!? Maybe a new groundman -maybe a f*cking idiot? IDK? That would explain the tending of slack / no pull..........MAYBE!?
 
John Kays has it right I believe and it's what I've been saying all along. The rope does not show the signs of a sudden release anywhere in the video.
 
Although with Poplar, as others have said, it could have had a lot of hinge wood and still busted sideways. Not saying that this was the case, because I think he cut too far and left very little hinge, but it might not have been entirely the sawyers fault. I mean, he should have been aware that Lombardy Poplars have weak hinges and taken the proper counter measures...like tying it to a truck. ;)
 
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I'm with RopeShield. The sawyer cut out the hinge is the primary issue.
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That becomes a factor BECAUSE the line was not pretensioned properly.. A good faller will plan ahead and determine exactly what size hinge he needs BEFORE he even starts the notch... This is why plunge cuttign will take falling skills to the next level... When you plunge you have to have cut the hinge to the desired dimensions before the tree moves. When you don't plunge you can just mindlessly keep cutting til the tree starts moving, which many fallers around here do. In the case of this video, the operative word is mindlessly... he clearly cur the hinge too far up or the tree COULDN"T have gone sideways... So yes that is primary, BUT if the line was pretensioned properly the tree wold have started to move before he cut past the point of hinge control, so it never would have been an issue if the rope was used properly..

A good faller using that pull line and truck would have gotten that tree to the lay 100% ... the tree was straight enough that the fall could easily be controlled no matter how poorly that particular species is for hinge control.
 
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That becomes a factor BECAUSE the line was not pretensioned properly.. A good faller will plan ahead and determine exactly what size hinge he needs BEFORE he even starts the notch... This is why plunge cuttign will take falling skills to the next level... When you plunge you have to have cut the hinge to the desired dimensions before the tree moves. When you don't plunge you can just mindlessly keep cutting til the tree starts moving, which many fallers around here do. In the case of this video, the operative word is mindlessly... he clearly cur the hinge too far up or the tree COULDN"T have gone sideways... So yes that is primary, BUT if the line was pretensioned properly the tree wold have started to move before he cut past the point of hinge control, so it never would have been an issue if the rope was used properly..

A good faller using that pull line and truck would have gotten that tree to the lay 100% ... the tree was straight enough that the fall could easily be controlled no matter how poorly that particular species is for hinge control.
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Very true. The line was obviously needed for that method they were attempting... and, when it comes down to it, they didn't use the line. They had it set up for it, but didn't use it. They tried to after it was too late, but they should have used it from the start of the felling process. Exactly what Daniel has explained - Pretension and keep tension. Good point to reiterate.
 
Daniel said:
That becomes a factor BECAUSE the line was not pretensioned properly.. A good faller will plan ahead and determine exactly what size hinge he needs BEFORE he even starts the notch... This is why plunge cuttign will take falling skills to the next level... When you plunge you have to have cut the hinge to the desired dimensions before the tree moves. When you don't plunge you can just mindlessly keep cutting til the tree starts moving, which many fallers around here do. In the case of this video, the operative word is mindlessly... he clearly cur the hinge too far up or the tree COULDN"T have gone sideways... So yes that is primary, BUT if the line was pretensioned properly the tree wold have started to move before he cut past the point of hinge control, so it never would have been an issue if the rope was used properly..

A good faller using that pull line and truck would have gotten that tree to the lay 100% ... the tree was straight enough that the fall could easily be controlled no matter how poorly that particular species is for hinge control.
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Agreed.
 
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