Just a note on a so called tree company saying, advertising, and telling the client that they are insured... we have run into if checked further that it is insurance on their truck. We try to encourage our clients to have the companies agent send or fax them a copy of the insurance... also helps prevent the guy who gets insurance, a copy of the certificate, then cancels the next day.
arborist ethics
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Are you studying to become an ISA Certified Arborist? Why have you not become a certified arborist? How many crews do you have? If for some reason the 2 or 3 certified arborists leave your company to start their own.... Would you correct your ad? Do/Are these certified arborists at each tree job?
This is where the ethics come into play. A simple def of ethics is "a principle of right or good conduct". Does your ad say that the company employees certified arborists or does it imply that you are a certified arborist?
I guess it is part of how one feels about their own actions -- kindof a karma thing.
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UrbanLegand, no, I am not studing to become an ISA Certified Arborist. I run the buisness like a buisness, I hire people to make the company whole. We have 3 divisions of the company, tree care, lawn care and landscaping. We have 5 crews, 2 of which are tree crews.
Of course if the Arborists left the company and I didn't have any on staff, I would change the ad. That goes with out saying. To continue to advertise that we have an arborist on staff when we didn't, now that would be unethical.
Certain jobs that we are contracted to do require that the Arborist be on site, others do not. One of our Arborist is a working Arborist, in the field, the other does consultations and quotes.
As to whether or not our ad implies myself as the Arborist, I don't think so. I will be the first to tell anyone that calls or I come in contact with that I am NOT an Arborist, but we have 2 on staff that could answer their questions.
Are you studying to become an ISA Certified Arborist? Why have you not become a certified arborist? How many crews do you have? If for some reason the 2 or 3 certified arborists leave your company to start their own.... Would you correct your ad? Do/Are these certified arborists at each tree job?
This is where the ethics come into play. A simple def of ethics is "a principle of right or good conduct". Does your ad say that the company employees certified arborists or does it imply that you are a certified arborist?
I guess it is part of how one feels about their own actions -- kindof a karma thing.
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UrbanLegand, no, I am not studing to become an ISA Certified Arborist. I run the buisness like a buisness, I hire people to make the company whole. We have 3 divisions of the company, tree care, lawn care and landscaping. We have 5 crews, 2 of which are tree crews.
Of course if the Arborists left the company and I didn't have any on staff, I would change the ad. That goes with out saying. To continue to advertise that we have an arborist on staff when we didn't, now that would be unethical.
Certain jobs that we are contracted to do require that the Arborist be on site, others do not. One of our Arborist is a working Arborist, in the field, the other does consultations and quotes.
As to whether or not our ad implies myself as the Arborist, I don't think so. I will be the first to tell anyone that calls or I come in contact with that I am NOT an Arborist, but we have 2 on staff that could answer their questions.
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Sounds fine with me as long as you actually have the arborists. ISA Certified Arborist is not really a practical directed certification and climbing skills are not a part of the two hour exam. On the jobsite you definately would do better with staff with treeclimber certificates or ETW certificates i Europe. Of course you must use the certifications for what thy´re worth in your adds.
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ISA Certified Arborist is not really a practical directed certification and climbing skills are not a part of the two hour exam.
[/ QUOTE ]Svein, you are right in saying that arborist certification does not cover climbing. However it is extremely practical in covering many other aspects of tree care. It also covers what the climber needs to know aside from climbing.
ISA Certified Arborist is not really a practical directed certification and climbing skills are not a part of the two hour exam.
[/ QUOTE ]Svein, you are right in saying that arborist certification does not cover climbing. However it is extremely practical in covering many other aspects of tree care. It also covers what the climber needs to know aside from climbing.
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Well, there is the Certified Tree Worker now that has a climbing exam. This, as many know, is designed for more entry level skills (18 months experience) but it is a start.
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Jeeze man isn't there enough porn on the internet without you having to host it at a site for tree people?
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Apparently not, there's a whole new thread started yesterday and in true herd mentality many are posting even more ... even ole Nick from here has jumped into the action.
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Jeeze man isn't there enough porn on the internet without you having to host it at a site for tree people?
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Apparently not, there's a whole new thread started yesterday and in true herd mentality many are posting even more ... even ole Nick from here has jumped into the action.
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Well, there is the Certified Tree Worker now that has a climbing exam. This, as many know, is designed for more entry level skills (18 months experience) but it is a start.
[/ QUOTE ]and it can also be a finish. 15 years after I got my CA and 2.5 after the BCMA I'll be testing for it at the ISASC TCC. It seems all the CTW evaluators are judging the TCC so that is the only way to get tested.
I've never footlocked nor done an aerial rescue or tied any of those knots but for the bowline. Time for a crash course.
Well, there is the Certified Tree Worker now that has a climbing exam. This, as many know, is designed for more entry level skills (18 months experience) but it is a start.
[/ QUOTE ]and it can also be a finish. 15 years after I got my CA and 2.5 after the BCMA I'll be testing for it at the ISASC TCC. It seems all the CTW evaluators are judging the TCC so that is the only way to get tested.
I've never footlocked nor done an aerial rescue or tied any of those knots but for the bowline. Time for a crash course.
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Im going to get my diploma shortly,ill be able to over-ride even Guy Meiluers qualifications in the USA.
Im relocating to california and being a consultant,in eucs and other foreign species.
Im relocating to california and being a consultant,in eucs and other foreign species.
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I've never footlocked nor done an aerial rescue or tied any of those knots but for the bowline. Time for a crash course.
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Guy, you will need to have proof of Aerial Rescue training prior to being able to take the test. At least that is how they run it in Ohio. But don't worry about the footlock, your are not allowed to use that technique to enter the tree anyway. The skills test is set up so that you will need to set your line between 15 and 20 feet off the ground and then hip thrust to that point on an approved climbing hitch. The reason for this is so that once at the limb you can then demonstrate how to safely advance your line from there. You are allowed to use multiple safetys or any other safe climbing technique, but footlocking is not an option......yet.
I've never footlocked nor done an aerial rescue or tied any of those knots but for the bowline. Time for a crash course.
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Guy, you will need to have proof of Aerial Rescue training prior to being able to take the test. At least that is how they run it in Ohio. But don't worry about the footlock, your are not allowed to use that technique to enter the tree anyway. The skills test is set up so that you will need to set your line between 15 and 20 feet off the ground and then hip thrust to that point on an approved climbing hitch. The reason for this is so that once at the limb you can then demonstrate how to safely advance your line from there. You are allowed to use multiple safetys or any other safe climbing technique, but footlocking is not an option......yet.
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If you lads call that porn, I am also guessing that you think anything more than missionary position once a month is deviant behavior.
I guess that is how things are down under which would explain all of the time to troll, start troll threads, and post them here.
An arborist is just a profession, you don't need the ISA course to call yourself an arborist imho but you do need it to call yourself a certified arborist. The main difference between the 2 is one paid $150 and the other didn't.
I guess that is how things are down under which would explain all of the time to troll, start troll threads, and post them here.
An arborist is just a profession, you don't need the ISA course to call yourself an arborist imho but you do need it to call yourself a certified arborist. The main difference between the 2 is one paid $150 and the other didn't.
TreeCo
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UrbanLegand, no, I am not studing to become an ISA Certified Arborist. I run the buisness like a buisness, I hire people to make the company whole.
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It's always sad when tree company owners don't know or care to know about trees and only see trees as a means to dollars.
UrbanLegand, no, I am not studing to become an ISA Certified Arborist. I run the buisness like a buisness, I hire people to make the company whole.
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It's always sad when tree company owners don't know or care to know about trees and only see trees as a means to dollars.
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Dan,
"t's always sad when tree company owners don't know or care to know about trees and only see trees as a means to dollars."
That's out of line. You have no clue how they run their business. By your reasoning I think that you would expect the book keeper, office manager and mechanic to understand trees IE...take the CA test, or they are second class tree people. What's your educational background? Are you an accountant?
if more arborists were as tuned into business as they are to trees they, me included, would be more successful in business. Just because someone isn't a CA doesn't mean that they aren't tuned into trees. Many arbos that I know have the knowledge to pass the CA test but don't take it for very valid reasons. The ones that I'm thinking of put trees first and dollars only a close second.
"t's always sad when tree company owners don't know or care to know about trees and only see trees as a means to dollars."
That's out of line. You have no clue how they run their business. By your reasoning I think that you would expect the book keeper, office manager and mechanic to understand trees IE...take the CA test, or they are second class tree people. What's your educational background? Are you an accountant?
if more arborists were as tuned into business as they are to trees they, me included, would be more successful in business. Just because someone isn't a CA doesn't mean that they aren't tuned into trees. Many arbos that I know have the knowledge to pass the CA test but don't take it for very valid reasons. The ones that I'm thinking of put trees first and dollars only a close second.
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It's always sad when tree company owners don't know or care to know about trees and only see trees as a means to dollars.
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Dan, do not suggest you know anything about me or my company, because you don't. That said, yes I am in business to make money. The fact that we have 2-3 arborist's on staff, speaks clearly to whether or not we care about trees.
Thanks Tom.
It's always sad when tree company owners don't know or care to know about trees and only see trees as a means to dollars.
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Dan, do not suggest you know anything about me or my company, because you don't. That said, yes I am in business to make money. The fact that we have 2-3 arborist's on staff, speaks clearly to whether or not we care about trees.
Thanks Tom.
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Are you studying to become an ISA Certified Arborist? Why have you not become a certified arborist? How many crews do you have? If for some reason the 2 or 3 certified arborists leave your company to start their own.... Would you correct your ad? Do/Are these certified arborists at each tree job?
This is where the ethics come into play. A simple def of ethics is "a principle of right or good conduct". Does your ad say that the company employees certified arborists or does it imply that you are a certified arborist?
I guess it is part of how one feels about their own actions -- kindof a karma thing.
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UrbanLegand, no, I am not studing to become an ISA Certified Arborist. I run the buisness like a buisness, I hire people to make the company whole. We have 3 divisions of the company, tree care, lawn care and landscaping. We have 5 crews, 2 of which are tree crews.
Of course if the Arborists left the company and I didn't have any on staff, I would change the ad. That goes with out saying. To continue to advertise that we have an arborist on staff when we didn't, now that would be unethical.
Certain jobs that we are contracted to do require that the Arborist be on site, others do not. One of our Arborist is a working Arborist, in the field, the other does consultations and quotes.
As to whether or not our ad implies myself as the Arborist, I don't think so. I will be the first to tell anyone that calls or I come in contact with that I am NOT an Arborist, but we have 2 on staff that could answer their questions.
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kudos -- If you keep the certified arborist on staff and allow them to make the "tree" calls, and are willing to remove the ad if for some unknown reason they decide to leave the company. I see nothing unethical. But as mentioned in all the proceeding posts there are many types of certifications for one's business -- Question, do you assist your climbers/employees to become CTW, or pesticide applicators, or any other certification that will help them and your company? If so, I hope that your company keeps on growing. Right tree for the right location. That could be interpolated about our companies and employees.
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Are you studying to become an ISA Certified Arborist? Why have you not become a certified arborist? How many crews do you have? If for some reason the 2 or 3 certified arborists leave your company to start their own.... Would you correct your ad? Do/Are these certified arborists at each tree job?
This is where the ethics come into play. A simple def of ethics is "a principle of right or good conduct". Does your ad say that the company employees certified arborists or does it imply that you are a certified arborist?
I guess it is part of how one feels about their own actions -- kindof a karma thing.
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UrbanLegand, no, I am not studing to become an ISA Certified Arborist. I run the buisness like a buisness, I hire people to make the company whole. We have 3 divisions of the company, tree care, lawn care and landscaping. We have 5 crews, 2 of which are tree crews.
Of course if the Arborists left the company and I didn't have any on staff, I would change the ad. That goes with out saying. To continue to advertise that we have an arborist on staff when we didn't, now that would be unethical.
Certain jobs that we are contracted to do require that the Arborist be on site, others do not. One of our Arborist is a working Arborist, in the field, the other does consultations and quotes.
As to whether or not our ad implies myself as the Arborist, I don't think so. I will be the first to tell anyone that calls or I come in contact with that I am NOT an Arborist, but we have 2 on staff that could answer their questions.
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v,
kudos -- If you keep the certified arborist on staff and allow them to make the "tree" calls, and are willing to remove the ad if for some unknown reason they decide to leave the company. I see nothing unethical. But as mentioned in all the proceeding posts there are many types of certifications for one's business -- Question, do you assist your climbers/employees to become CTW, or pesticide applicators, or any other certification that will help them and your company? If so, I hope that your company keeps on growing. Right tree for the right location. That could be interpolated about our companies and employees.
TreeCo
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Gigi I did not say you did not care about trees.
I stand by my statement. The CA is such a basic test of tree knowledge that every tree care business owner should be one.
I stand by my statement. The CA is such a basic test of tree knowledge that every tree care business owner should be one.
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v,
kudos -- If you keep the certified arborist on staff and allow them to make the "tree" calls, and are willing to remove the ad if for some unknown reason they decide to leave the company. I see nothing unethical. But as mentioned in all the proceeding posts there are many types of certifications for one's business -- Question, do you assist your climbers/employees to become CTW, or pesticide applicators, or any other certification that will help them and your company? If so, I hope that your company keeps on growing. Right tree for the right location. That could be interpolated about our companies and employees.
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Urban, yes we go to as many of the Florida ISA training sessions as we can. Even had the pleasure of sending 6 people to the convention in Minnesota this summer, that was fun! We even send some that are not Arborists. For pesticides, we rely on training and CEU's from the agriculture extention agent.
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v,
kudos -- If you keep the certified arborist on staff and allow them to make the "tree" calls, and are willing to remove the ad if for some unknown reason they decide to leave the company. I see nothing unethical. But as mentioned in all the proceeding posts there are many types of certifications for one's business -- Question, do you assist your climbers/employees to become CTW, or pesticide applicators, or any other certification that will help them and your company? If so, I hope that your company keeps on growing. Right tree for the right location. That could be interpolated about our companies and employees.
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Urban, yes we go to as many of the Florida ISA training sessions as we can. Even had the pleasure of sending 6 people to the convention in Minnesota this summer, that was fun! We even send some that are not Arborists. For pesticides, we rely on training and CEU's from the agriculture extention agent.
TreeCo
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I was talking about you Gigi but I did not say you did not care about trees. I was responding to your lack of interest in becoming a CA. Like Tom I know more than few people who know more than enough to pass the CA but don't take the test.
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v,
I believe that the SMA (society of municipal arborist) is having their yearly conference in Hollywood, Fl this year. You may want to attend or check it out. I agree that conferences can be fun, and you do get to meet new people and learn new things. I am glad to see that you and your staff attend different conference. Keep on the raising waters.
I believe that the SMA (society of municipal arborist) is having their yearly conference in Hollywood, Fl this year. You may want to attend or check it out. I agree that conferences can be fun, and you do get to meet new people and learn new things. I am glad to see that you and your staff attend different conference. Keep on the raising waters.
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even gaining your ISA Cert Arb is trivial compared to other trades.
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Nothing gets more frustrating than ringing a business, where the first port of call is the phone and they know nothing and have to get some-one who actually knows something to either visit you or call you back.
I know we may hand the phone over to all sorts of people when we're busy but ideally if your job is 100% phone answering then it would be wise to get some qualifications to know what's going on... I think it's slack if the owners wife has sat in the receptionist duties of a mechanical workshop for 20 years and doesn't know chit about anything when a customer rings.
even gaining your ISA Cert Arb is trivial compared to other trades.
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Nothing gets more frustrating than ringing a business, where the first port of call is the phone and they know nothing and have to get some-one who actually knows something to either visit you or call you back.
I know we may hand the phone over to all sorts of people when we're busy but ideally if your job is 100% phone answering then it would be wise to get some qualifications to know what's going on... I think it's slack if the owners wife has sat in the receptionist duties of a mechanical workshop for 20 years and doesn't know chit about anything when a customer rings.
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