I am surprised that no one has posted this but there has been another bridge failure on the cougar saddles. The bridge was the "safe" replacement that went into effect after the recall through anchor bridge ropeworks. Anchor bridge had no effect on this failure as it was not one of their bridges on the harness. It was one of the black on black. From what I understand it's the same kind of issues again with the fibers having self abrasive properties. In my opinion with this new failure is that the replacement was kind of dumped on there without much if any field testing. I have caught bits and pieces of the story on the failure but do not know the whole story. Maybe someone else has details. I am just passing along information that I thought would be necessary or helpful to a lot out there. So if you are rocking a cougar be careful of this and always, always, always check your bridge.
Another Bridge failure
- Thread starter PUClimber
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- bolivar mo
THANX BRO APPRECIATED
this is gonna be a disaster for weaver...what was wrong with the black and yellow ones? I have one on mine and it is still in great shape...
TimberJack
Participating member
- Location
- Westchester County, NY
Do yourself a favor throw the whole fing thing away! Weaver Cougar = Awaiting Accident
- Location
- Lexington, KY
Switched mine over to a Liger last year. I had one of the original bridges so that was not a worry for me, it was the ring recall that made me convert. If you have a Cougar look into converting it. No it's not factory specs, but the rigging plates are rated higher than the rings, bridge material options are next to limitless and you can change out the bridge very easily. Plus it's less expensive to convert than to buy a new saddle. I know I don't have over $300 laying around for a new saddle.
I hope no one was hurt in the failure. That has got to be scary. It really is bad news for Weaver, I doubt many people are gonna buy a new Cougar now.
When are we gonna see a wire or steel core bridge?
I hope no one was hurt in the failure. That has got to be scary. It really is bad news for Weaver, I doubt many people are gonna buy a new Cougar now.
When are we gonna see a wire or steel core bridge?
- Location
- Haddonfield, nj
This is getting ridiculous.
Weavers been on a steady decline for years. They've been behind on innovation and their quality has dropped off for the past 6 years. They used to be bomb proof, now they are ticking time bombs just waiting to go off.
F-ck you weaver. F you so hard.
Weavers been on a steady decline for years. They've been behind on innovation and their quality has dropped off for the past 6 years. They used to be bomb proof, now they are ticking time bombs just waiting to go off.
F-ck you weaver. F you so hard.
- Location
- Longmont, CO
Marc P.
Sounds like a new shirt and avatar is in order.
Sounds like a new shirt and avatar is in order.
TimberJack
Participating member
- Location
- Westchester County, NY
I wouldn't go that far with slandering Weaver they still make some good stuff. They should however scap the cougar. Regardless of cost, I would want the peice of mind knowing that the money I spent on a peice of equipment, rather it be a 150 dollar butt strap weaver or a 500 dollar treemotion is safe without doing any modifications. The Cougar just dosn't seem to be up to that standard from day one to after 3 ? recalls.
- Location
- Haddonfield, nj
Timberjack.
Name two current items that they make that you couldn't live without, is better than what others have offered and has a higher quality.
Hint. They don't have any.
Name two current items that they make that you couldn't live without, is better than what others have offered and has a higher quality.
Hint. They don't have any.
Why's it so hard to understand? Just scrap the bridge and tie on a healthy piece of climbing line (or rigging if it makes you feel safer)? I did this after the first one wore out (the green and black) and have made 2 velocity bridges since then - the saddle's fine! Just wait til buckingham has their first recall on their "puma/viking" saddle - is everyone gonna throw a fit?
oh and just to add to the cynicism, i've heard that hydraulic lines on altec buckets were known to fail - so all you non-climbing tree folks better park your rigs and find another line of work.
Come on let's use some common sense before we make outrageous claims/comments on here.
- Location
- Haddonfield, nj
You're adorable
Let's take a trip down memory lane shall we?
First bridge gets recalled. Okay. Sucks but I'll give em a mulligan here because they acted fast and got on it.
Then, the finally realize, after over a damn year after the rings had been recalled that the rings they have on their saddle are also defective.
Now add in their third swing and miss with yet another BRIDGE RECALL And here we stand now.
If you are perfectly okay with not only three recalls but A recall on their replacement for the first recall then y'all have got to be the greatest Kool aide sippin' customers weaver has ever seen.
Listin. I'm understanding that mistakes happen. I'm not understanding when they happen to anything that is considered life support. You shouldn't be either
You also forget that not everyone catches wind of these recalls like we do here on the buzz. Some may buy the gear and NEVER find out about it. When I worked the ISA workday their was a recalled bridge still being used on a climbers saddle. I informed him of the recall and he was not exactly a satisfied customer. Then we fixed his saddle with some spare velocity line I had. He never got a call, an email, nothing. Is the bridge fix simple? Sure. But what if you don't know that it needs to be replaced?
Let's take a trip down memory lane shall we?
First bridge gets recalled. Okay. Sucks but I'll give em a mulligan here because they acted fast and got on it.
Then, the finally realize, after over a damn year after the rings had been recalled that the rings they have on their saddle are also defective.
Now add in their third swing and miss with yet another BRIDGE RECALL And here we stand now.
If you are perfectly okay with not only three recalls but A recall on their replacement for the first recall then y'all have got to be the greatest Kool aide sippin' customers weaver has ever seen.
Listin. I'm understanding that mistakes happen. I'm not understanding when they happen to anything that is considered life support. You shouldn't be either
You also forget that not everyone catches wind of these recalls like we do here on the buzz. Some may buy the gear and NEVER find out about it. When I worked the ISA workday their was a recalled bridge still being used on a climbers saddle. I informed him of the recall and he was not exactly a satisfied customer. Then we fixed his saddle with some spare velocity line I had. He never got a call, an email, nothing. Is the bridge fix simple? Sure. But what if you don't know that it needs to be replaced?
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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I am surprised that no one has posted this but there has been another bridge failure on the cougar saddles. The bridge was the "safe" replacement that went into effect after the recall through anchor bridge ropeworks. Anchor bridge had no effect on this failure as it was not one of their bridges on the harness. It was one of the black on black. From what I understand it's the same kind of issues again with the fibers having self abrasive properties. In my opinion with this new failure is that the replacement was kind of dumped on there without much if any field testing. I have caught bits and pieces of the story on the failure but do not know the whole story. Maybe someone else has details. I am just passing along information that I thought would be necessary or helpful to a lot out there. So if you are rocking a cougar be careful of this and always, always, always check your bridge.
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Thank you Tyler for posting this.
I just did a Certified Tree Worker skills exam last Saturday (27Aug) and 2 climbers had the 'black on black' bridge on Cougars.
I'm gonna call the owner of the tree biz and let him know (both of these climbers work for the same tree biz).
Weaver's gotta do some R & D before putting climbers lives on the line.
Thank you again Tyler for posting this.
I am surprised that no one has posted this but there has been another bridge failure on the cougar saddles. The bridge was the "safe" replacement that went into effect after the recall through anchor bridge ropeworks. Anchor bridge had no effect on this failure as it was not one of their bridges on the harness. It was one of the black on black. From what I understand it's the same kind of issues again with the fibers having self abrasive properties. In my opinion with this new failure is that the replacement was kind of dumped on there without much if any field testing. I have caught bits and pieces of the story on the failure but do not know the whole story. Maybe someone else has details. I am just passing along information that I thought would be necessary or helpful to a lot out there. So if you are rocking a cougar be careful of this and always, always, always check your bridge.
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Thank you Tyler for posting this.
I just did a Certified Tree Worker skills exam last Saturday (27Aug) and 2 climbers had the 'black on black' bridge on Cougars.
I'm gonna call the owner of the tree biz and let him know (both of these climbers work for the same tree biz).
Weaver's gotta do some R & D before putting climbers lives on the line.
Thank you again Tyler for posting this.
NickfromWI
Participating member
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
I encourage people to stick with nylon/polyester for bridges.
love
nick
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nick
TimberJack
Participating member
- Location
- Westchester County, NY
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Timberjack.
Name two current items that they make that you couldn't live without, is better than what others have offered and has a higher quality.
Hint. They don't have any.
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Family I'm not saying Weaver is any better or any worse then any other brand, but they certainly have a place in our arborculture history. I 110 percent agree the cougar is a peice... However I am pretty happy with my t pads on my spurs and my $30 back pack rope bag that are both going strong for years. And on a side note I know guys that are still climbing to this day in Weaver A$$ strap saddles that are older then most the guys climbing in treemotions and could climb circles around them!
Timberjack.
Name two current items that they make that you couldn't live without, is better than what others have offered and has a higher quality.
Hint. They don't have any.
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Family I'm not saying Weaver is any better or any worse then any other brand, but they certainly have a place in our arborculture history. I 110 percent agree the cougar is a peice... However I am pretty happy with my t pads on my spurs and my $30 back pack rope bag that are both going strong for years. And on a side note I know guys that are still climbing to this day in Weaver A$$ strap saddles that are older then most the guys climbing in treemotions and could climb circles around them!
Their throw weights are clutch, had mine for two years and I would bomb that sucker down from 80ft continuously on to some asphalt and it wouldn't explode. Then the other guy on the crew lost my whole throw line kit when I let him borrow it, I was as displeased as you guys are with this bridge.
Ok, i'm willing to bite - so if i park my cougar and get Luke to send me a Sequoia, I will be a very happy climber, right? and much safer? Seriously, i've wanted to order the Sequoia so many times and have put it in my shopping cart, but never mashed send!
The webbing bridges on Petzl saddles are bombproof. Same on Komet. I am a fan of traditional materials for bridges. We are all responsible for inspecting our gear every day. In the rock climbing world (lots of webbing harnesses) this is a non issue. A problem with your bridge is your love ones worst nightmare and maybe your last. Stop smoking, wear your seat belt and ditch the rope bridge.
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