classictruckman
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- Location
- Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada
not as sharp as an international
Another Big K-boom for sale. 150 metric ton!
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allmark
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That truck at that price just doesn't seem to me to be a good fit for treework. You could spend over $200k less, get a brand new truck and crane, and in my opinion get something that is more practical for treework.
http://www.terex.com/cranes/en/idc03/gro...cm02_047816.pdf
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This has a max radius at 95' and 350# no comparison size wise.
That truck at that price just doesn't seem to me to be a good fit for treework. You could spend over $200k less, get a brand new truck and crane, and in my opinion get something that is more practical for treework.
http://www.terex.com/cranes/en/idc03/gro...cm02_047816.pdf
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This has a max radius at 95' and 350# no comparison size wise.
- Location
- Alberta,Canada
OH boy, only if I had 1/2 million kicking around!!
- Location
- Phila. Pa.
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That truck at that price just doesn't seem to me to be a good fit for treework. You could spend over $200k less, get a brand new truck and crane, and in my opinion get something that is more practical for treework.
http://www.terex.com/cranes/en/idc03/gro...cm02_047816.pdf
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This has a max radius at 95' and 350# no comparison size wise.
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Actually it's 550# at 95 foot with the jib deployed but you can't go past the outriggers.. I get your point that the boom truck loses ground at the extremes of the chart but I stand by my point. A NEW unit that is over $200k less money, is a more practical size for backing into driveways, etc., and has a very solid chart for doing treework is just a better choice. Use the $200k+ you save to rent a crane when the Terex won't work. It will take you a while to go through that $200k because that won't be often. Also you can put some 22' logs on the Terex which is a nice plus. Don't get me wrong, the Palfinger is a very impressive crane.
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That truck at that price just doesn't seem to me to be a good fit for treework. You could spend over $200k less, get a brand new truck and crane, and in my opinion get something that is more practical for treework.
http://www.terex.com/cranes/en/idc03/gro...cm02_047816.pdf
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This has a max radius at 95' and 350# no comparison size wise.
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Actually it's 550# at 95 foot with the jib deployed but you can't go past the outriggers.. I get your point that the boom truck loses ground at the extremes of the chart but I stand by my point. A NEW unit that is over $200k less money, is a more practical size for backing into driveways, etc., and has a very solid chart for doing treework is just a better choice. Use the $200k+ you save to rent a crane when the Terex won't work. It will take you a while to go through that $200k because that won't be often. Also you can put some 22' logs on the Terex which is a nice plus. Don't get me wrong, the Palfinger is a very impressive crane.
allmark
Participating member
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Actually it's 550# at 95 foot with the jib deployed but you can't go past the outriggers..
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Not to argue but reading load charts are one of the most important skills of crane operators.
With the main boom at 95'radius 350#
With the extension out and jib retracted with a 30degree offset at 95' radius 550#
With extension erected and jib extended and a 30 degree offset at 95' radius 1000#
With extension erected and jib extended and a 15 degree offset at 95' radius 750#
Of course all these are before you deduct the weight of the ball and rigging. The jib ratings are for over the rear and not the front.
Actually it's 550# at 95 foot with the jib deployed but you can't go past the outriggers..
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Not to argue but reading load charts are one of the most important skills of crane operators.
With the main boom at 95'radius 350#
With the extension out and jib retracted with a 30degree offset at 95' radius 550#
With extension erected and jib extended and a 30 degree offset at 95' radius 1000#
With extension erected and jib extended and a 15 degree offset at 95' radius 750#
Of course all these are before you deduct the weight of the ball and rigging. The jib ratings are for over the rear and not the front.
allmark
Participating member
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I think Mike Poor's 175 ton might be close to this, I'm not sure, haven't looked at his in a long while.
he seems to love it. (even with less tires for weight distribution on the driveways than this).
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A 1750 8s6s would go 120'10" horizontal with a lift capacity 2355# At 110' horizontal which the Palfinger shown has the 1750 will lift 2655#
http://www.efferusa.com/Crane%20PDFs/1750L.pdf
I think Mike Poor's 175 ton might be close to this, I'm not sure, haven't looked at his in a long while.
he seems to love it. (even with less tires for weight distribution on the driveways than this).
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A 1750 8s6s would go 120'10" horizontal with a lift capacity 2355# At 110' horizontal which the Palfinger shown has the 1750 will lift 2655#
http://www.efferusa.com/Crane%20PDFs/1750L.pdf
I'm not very informed about the stick vs. knuckle boom debate, but to me the obvious benefit of a k-boom is the radio remote. From a business perspective that means one less employee. People aren't cheap. What does a crane operator go for? $60k a year? That would be more like $75-80k/yr with payroll and workers comp (in Wisconsin), not including benefits (insurance, holidays, vacation days), or other expenses.
Obviously this monster k-boom is going to be more expensive than a simple truck crane. I'm guessing you can get something more reasonably sized (i.e. 30-60 ton) for considerably less?
Obviously this monster k-boom is going to be more expensive than a simple truck crane. I'm guessing you can get something more reasonably sized (i.e. 30-60 ton) for considerably less?
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I think Mike Poor's 175 ton might be close to this, I'm not sure, haven't looked at his in a long while.
he seems to love it. (even with less tires for weight distribution on the driveways than this).
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A 1750 8s6s would go 120'10" horizontal with a lift capacity 2355# At 110' horizontal which the Palfinger shown has the 1750 will lift 2655#
http://www.efferusa.com/Crane%20PDFs/1750L.pdf
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Mark, someone was commenting that this truck was very long. Which it is, but I was guessing that Mike's might be this long and he still likes it. Not the boom length. truck length bumper to bumper.
Thanks for the input on the terex example lift chart. It helps people understand the difference by stating those numbers. It's hard to understand k-booms brushbandit, so I'm glad you spoke up because many are thinking the same thing as you I'm sure.
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I think Mike Poor's 175 ton might be close to this, I'm not sure, haven't looked at his in a long while.
he seems to love it. (even with less tires for weight distribution on the driveways than this).
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A 1750 8s6s would go 120'10" horizontal with a lift capacity 2355# At 110' horizontal which the Palfinger shown has the 1750 will lift 2655#
http://www.efferusa.com/Crane%20PDFs/1750L.pdf
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Mark, someone was commenting that this truck was very long. Which it is, but I was guessing that Mike's might be this long and he still likes it. Not the boom length. truck length bumper to bumper.
Thanks for the input on the terex example lift chart. It helps people understand the difference by stating those numbers. It's hard to understand k-booms brushbandit, so I'm glad you spoke up because many are thinking the same thing as you I'm sure.
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I'm not very informed about the stick vs. knuckle boom debate, but to me the obvious benefit of a k-boom is the radio remote. From a business perspective that means one less employee. People aren't cheap. What does a crane operator go for? $60k a year? That would be more like $75-80k/yr with payroll and workers comp (in Wisconsin), not including benefits (insurance, holidays, vacation days), or other expenses.
Obviously this monster k-boom is going to be more expensive than a simple truck crane. I'm guessing you can get something more reasonably sized (i.e. 30-60 ton) for considerably less?
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Evan, many people don't know it, but some stick booms can and have for years, had a radio remote option.
Most people don't know that I guess. An audience member asked Todd Krammer at our talk if stick cranes can have radio remotes. He replied with certainty, "no, they can't have radio remote".
So, even he didn't know and he does talks on cranes all the time.
My brother's "old" Manitowoc stick crane came with a radio remote. I'm guessing it is something like a 2002 year model. He prefers to sit on the seat and use the levers instead though. He tried the remote and climb thing ONE time, he didn't like it.
I'm not very informed about the stick vs. knuckle boom debate, but to me the obvious benefit of a k-boom is the radio remote. From a business perspective that means one less employee. People aren't cheap. What does a crane operator go for? $60k a year? That would be more like $75-80k/yr with payroll and workers comp (in Wisconsin), not including benefits (insurance, holidays, vacation days), or other expenses.
Obviously this monster k-boom is going to be more expensive than a simple truck crane. I'm guessing you can get something more reasonably sized (i.e. 30-60 ton) for considerably less?
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Evan, many people don't know it, but some stick booms can and have for years, had a radio remote option.
Most people don't know that I guess. An audience member asked Todd Krammer at our talk if stick cranes can have radio remotes. He replied with certainty, "no, they can't have radio remote".
So, even he didn't know and he does talks on cranes all the time.
My brother's "old" Manitowoc stick crane came with a radio remote. I'm guessing it is something like a 2002 year model. He prefers to sit on the seat and use the levers instead though. He tried the remote and climb thing ONE time, he didn't like it.
- Location
- Phila. Pa.
No problem. I'm glad you understand that I'm not trying to talk down k-booms, just putting my perspective out there. And granted my perspective is slighted toward stick cranes since that what I use in my business. But as you said it is interesting to compare the charts, you can see where the K-boom excels.
- Location
- Phila. Pa.
I think most if not all new stick cranes offer a remote as an option. Newer Terex Cranes can be retrofitted with a radio remote for around $7000 not including installation. The installation is actually pretty easy.
allmark
Participating member
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I think Mike Poor's 175 ton might be close to this, I'm not sure, haven't looked at his in a long while.
he seems to love it. (even with less tires for weight distribution on the driveways than this).
[/ QUOTE ]
A 1750 8s6s would go 120'10" horizontal with a lift capacity 2355# At 110' horizontal which the Palfinger shown has the 1750 will lift 2655#
http://www.efferusa.com/Crane%20PDFs/1750L.pdf
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Mark, someone was commenting that this truck was very long. Which it is, but I was guessing that Mike's might be this long and he still likes it. Not the boom length. truck length bumper to bumper.
Thanks for the input on the terex example lift chart. It helps people understand the difference by stating those numbers. It's hard to understand k-booms brushbandit, so I'm glad you spoke up because many are thinking the same thing as you I'm sure.
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Yeah I realized that as I read through again today.
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I think Mike Poor's 175 ton might be close to this, I'm not sure, haven't looked at his in a long while.
he seems to love it. (even with less tires for weight distribution on the driveways than this).
[/ QUOTE ]
A 1750 8s6s would go 120'10" horizontal with a lift capacity 2355# At 110' horizontal which the Palfinger shown has the 1750 will lift 2655#
http://www.efferusa.com/Crane%20PDFs/1750L.pdf
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Mark, someone was commenting that this truck was very long. Which it is, but I was guessing that Mike's might be this long and he still likes it. Not the boom length. truck length bumper to bumper.
Thanks for the input on the terex example lift chart. It helps people understand the difference by stating those numbers. It's hard to understand k-booms brushbandit, so I'm glad you spoke up because many are thinking the same thing as you I'm sure.
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Yeah I realized that as I read through again today.
My 9103 has the remote setup...nice for blind pics if you're working with lest experienced people. I haven't done the climb and operate though...that would slow us down a lot but I have run the crane and chipper by myself once. I much prefer to be on the truck though much like your bro x.
- Location
- Cleveland,oh
How about a video explaining how to read a k boom load chart?Or am I the only idiot that doesn't completely get it?
dbl612
Participating member
- Location
- torrington, ct.
its no different than your stick boom. the chart they are showing is for the jib..the values are shown for various jib extensions at a given radius. i believe the main boom values would increase significantly if you unpin the jib and remove its tare weight. at that point the main boom only chart would be employed. on a crane this size, with constantly variable configurations requires a detailed lmi program to function properly because the majority of the chart is based on strength of materials.
- Location
- Cleveland,oh
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its no different than your stick boom. the chart they are showing is for the jib..the values are shown for various jib extensions at a given radius. i believe the main boom values would increase significantly if you unpin the jib and remove its tare weight. at that point the main boom only chart would be employed. on a crane this size, with constantly variable configurations requires a detailed lmi program to function properly because the majority of the chart is based on strength of materials.
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ok so what would this boom be good for at 40 ft. radius and 88 ft. vertical............or at 65 ft. radius 40 ft. vertical?
its no different than your stick boom. the chart they are showing is for the jib..the values are shown for various jib extensions at a given radius. i believe the main boom values would increase significantly if you unpin the jib and remove its tare weight. at that point the main boom only chart would be employed. on a crane this size, with constantly variable configurations requires a detailed lmi program to function properly because the majority of the chart is based on strength of materials.
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ok so what would this boom be good for at 40 ft. radius and 88 ft. vertical............or at 65 ft. radius 40 ft. vertical?
Bixler
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- Location
- Nevada City, CA
I like how compact those K booms can get.
allmark
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OK, Using the chart David posted above.
This first chart is to find capacity at 40' radius and 88' vertical.
The yellow lines show the point the 2 measurements intersect(I apologize for not having perfect lines)
Next you need to find a weight given on the chart.
The 2 orange lines show this.
The yellow point falls between 4608# and 3616#
the capacity would be 3616# because you are not allowed to extrapolate.
This first chart is to find capacity at 40' radius and 88' vertical.
The yellow lines show the point the 2 measurements intersect(I apologize for not having perfect lines)
Next you need to find a weight given on the chart.
The 2 orange lines show this.
The yellow point falls between 4608# and 3616#
the capacity would be 3616# because you are not allowed to extrapolate.
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