another backleaner

Any news between page 3 and 12? Is Daniel dead yet? Or is he still, for example, cutting widow makers without a notch and pulling line.

Guys, the man has gotten you all to page 12 He must be pissing his pants by now from laughter.
The man is just pulling you all a leg posting videos like that.
 
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"And it was clear that the holding wood was plenty good enough, based on the direction of pull being nearly perfect, and the way the holding wood held on the first co-dom. No one mentioned how that first tree went down,, watch it again... pretty smooth for a 85-90' locust with 35º of head lean..

SO there was no chance of injury, no chance of taking out the wires. This fall was 100%, cut, pull, retainer line.. Everything was tested and/or backed up. IN my mind that is safer than rigging the tree, even if done by Asplund."

That says it all right there. Judging your holding wood, based on the first leaner cut is not a cut and dry method of determining sound holding wood. In the video it is even said that it has rot and very little sound wood, except for the outer edges. To be so bold as to say no chance of injury or damage is simply stupid and cocky... that tree could have rolled at any direction off the stump at any point, even with perfect, 'calculated', and sound holding wood. i just kept waiting for a crushing death as he stood under that tree...with that lean by the time it is standing at 90 degrees, a good amount of the holding wood is torn and compromised, not a safe situation...no cut, on any tree, is ever 100%...simple as that.
 
Got another very similar situation coming up... Big Storm damaged hickory.. just as big or bigger and leaning over even further.. in the woods with a wide open DZ 90º to the lean... gonna stand this one up, cut the corner of the hinge and drop it right onto the lawn...

Its a dream come true.. who'd a thunk
 
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Got another very similar situation coming up... Big Storm damaged hickory.. just as big or bigger and leaning over even further.. in the woods with a wide open DZ 90º to the lean... gonna stand this one up, cut the corner of the hinge and drop it right onto the lawn...

Its a dream come true.. who'd a thunk

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Being in the 99th percentile of competency in this field, this should be like nothing for you, Daniel. Who'da man?
 
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You know what what would settle this.If daniel clearly outlines every step of his plan before he puts a saw in it.Im serious ,even a target landing,also to paint his notch and back cut before he makes them.Also to to include any hidden variables most would miss or not anticipate.But his got to do it at least 3 times and the trees gotta be just as hairy or worse.

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I agree. I'm the type to "call my shots" and I respect others when they "call their shots."
 
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You know what what would settle this.If daniel clearly outlines every step of his plan before he puts a saw in it.Im serious ,even a target landing,also to paint his notch and back cut before he makes them.Also to to include any hidden variables most would miss or not anticipate.But his got to do it at least 3 times and the trees gotta be just as hairy or worse.

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There's a lot going on with this type of job.. had a lot on my mind besides explaining it all on video.. We were fighting the clock... I'll make sure that doesn't happen on this one.. Bring plenty of line and hardware too! this is gonna be fun..
 
I dont doubt you you can nail this Daniel. Im pretty certain you have skills.

I think the contention on the one before was about pushing limits on ropes using hydraulics and shackles.

If you can you do it with human powered MA and stay inside standard WLLs that would make a more interesting video.

For maximum impressiveness, do it with 1 rope, a 5:1, and a wedge.
 
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For maximum impressiveness, do it with 1 rope, a 5:1, and a wedge.

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Na. Forget that. I want to see a rope snap and a tree land on/crush something valuable. It's more entertaining.

Besides, TLC might find it on YouTube and give him a T.V. show. "Daniel Raw"
 
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I dont doubt you you can nail this Daniel. Im pretty certain you have skills.

I think the contention on the one before was about pushing limits on ropes using hydraulics and shackles.

If you can you do it with human powered MA and stay inside standard WLLs that would make a more interesting video.

For maximum impressiveness, do it with 1 rope, a 5:1, and a wedge.

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Oh NOW you have no doubt... certain I have the skills huh? and want to see me do it with one hand tied behind my back... I thought I was just a lucky, lowballing, hack, suicidal maniac, bullshitter. Guess we'll see...

I go for maximum ease and safety.. 5:1 and wedges will not even budge this tree.. its gonna be at lease 12:1 with a skid loader and wedges... maybe have to do that X 2. I always like to have at least one extra pull line on heavy backleaers.. Fortunately this one has a whole lot of trees to choose for some good anchors... the locust did not.
 
I want to see the pull line tied too low for max leverage and the hinge blow out and of course no damage or injury. I blew a hinge when the tree was hung up and I tried to pull it out with a 4:1. Surprise surprise. That was one man on a 4:1 with a dead tree, let alone a skid steer.
 
Daniel,

Watched the video. I agree with most here that the job seemed a bit reckless. I would not want to put this one up there as an example of "how to."

For example, if you are worried about the barber chair, why not bore cut the forward leaner.

Comment was made about you walking under the tree several times. Not smart.

Awfully big saw to be slicing at approximate head level. Why not make the notch and backcut a bit lower?

Skid steer strong. Kind of reminds me of the statement, "Strong like Ox, smart like dump truck" How strong? Who knows. What was the weakest link in the rigging? Do you even know?

If you were going to pull the tree upright to begin, why not notch it first and pull it over all at once instead of performing the entire cutting operation on a tree with all sorts of forces on the trunk from the rigging.

Accidents happen when you start adding up unknown variables. Be careful.
 
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live and learn.. (in that order)
This is hickory.. no hinge is gonna blow out!

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The best laid plans of mice and men.
 
Zeb,
There was a mistake in the chronology of the editing, which I already mentioned if you read this thread carefully. There was a test pull made, then the pull line was released, the notch was made, some partial pull was added to the line, the backcut was made, then the tree was stood up... The video was a bit confusing, but NOTHING was done without a reason..

Posters here, including yourself make all kinds of bad assumptions. ie What makes you think I didn't plunge cut the front leaner??? Of course I plunged it... Why would you think I didn't???? Maybe you've never seen a backcut like that used with a plunge.

So its those types of questions, comments and suggestions made by many here, including Blinky and X, that make it clear to me that this type of work is far beyond your level of understanding...

I got tired of seeing youtube video after youtube video of "man cuts branch... branch falls to ground".. so I started posting videos of more complex rigging and falling.. Its up to 46 videos now. ANYONE that thinks I have gotten lucky on any video is mistaken.

Everything I do is well thoughgt out and comes from a high level of undersatnding of the many factors involved. In a complicated falling scenario, there are just so many factors, its not something that can be explained in ad ad lib moment.. basically winging the on camera monologue..

I started writing out a little script to explain the factors involved in this backleaning hickory.. Is gonna make for a lot of talking.. might even get boring.. We'll see. Might even turn it into a magazine article. Perhaps Tom D can do the math.
 
Blah blah blah...far beyond your level of understanding...blah blah blah...NO WAY anything could go wrong....blah blah blah...you're all a bunch of boy scouts...blah blah blah....the death star is fully operational....blah blah blah.


Thank you for all you do Daniel. It takes brass ones to put up your work for display to your peers. It takes bigger brass ones to say that you are in control all the time, when the videos clearly show a clown running around tying true blue to anything and yanking it over with a skid steer.

Kudos sir.

SZ
 
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.. its gonna be at lease 12:1 with a skid loader and wedges... maybe have to do that X 2.

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This is really the point about machinery - you DON'T know the forces applied to the tree OR the rigging.

Quick math:
(Correct me if I'm wrong, although you'll "correct" me either way..)

let's say you use 3/4" stable braid with a tensile of 20,000 lbs. Safety factor of 5:1 gives you 4000 lbs SWL. Apply 12 times (or best guess!!) load to the rigging and you only have 333 lbs to play with safely!! and that's if you can actually measure the loading accurately. Does the tree weigh more than 333 lbs?
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...oh yeah, divide everything by 50% for knots...
Like Zeb said: what is your weakest link?

Recipe for disaster.
 
When do you ever know the forces applied in this biz? Its all guestimates and experieince, with some knowledge of wood weight and physics backing that up.

Because there are no shock loads in pull lines and my knots do not reduce strength by 50%.. (which is crucial when working with these kind of forces).. I'll exceed SWL on pull lines to reduce rigging and climbing when I judge the trade off is worth the time saved and the added safety to the climber/ground crew...

In rethinking the rigging, I've decided to go with 9:1 MA on the main pull line, and 3:1 on a secondary bull line, and may add a third 1/2" pull line with a 3:1 on rope come a long...
 
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