alternatives to GRCS

This just in:

1. If you don't have a GRCS, use a skid steer!

2. If you don't have a skid steer, use your hitch and your truck!

3. If you don't have either a skid or a truck with(hitch), just notch and drop..... Oh, don't forget to run!!

4. Whatever you do, don't use a tool as streamlined and as practical as a GRCS!!!
 
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if you don't have a skid steer..

you can put a big shackle on the porty,


and drop that onto the pindle hitch on your truck, and get the same effect. there are trade offs of course.. not practical in every situation, but works well when appropriate.

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Shackle? Haven't we been through this. They make arborist blocks for a reason.
 
I found the working draw off the winchbolder on my laptop.
In the meantime its allready gone from drawing to a real life thing.
But there's nothing changed compared to the drawing.

see for yourselves :
 

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Looks good. Let's just hope the price is affordable.

The grcs is amazing and for the money it's hard to beat. Yes it's expensive, but it's got the best value out there right now
 
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if you don't have a skid steer..

you can put a big shackle on the porty,


and drop that onto the pindle hitch on your truck, and get the same effect. there are trade offs of course.. not practical in every situation, but works well when appropriate.

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Shackle? Haven't we been through this. They make arborist blocks for a reason.

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Sean,

I think he is using the shackle to attach the porty to the pindle hitch, not to pull through it.
 
I just started my tree service last month, but I used a porta wrap and a fiddle block on our first 2 jobs. The next week, I bought a GRCS and I used it this past Wednesday for the first time and all I can say is WOW!! I think everyone should have one!!!
 
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This just in:

1. If you don't have a GRCS, use a skid steer!

2. If you don't have a skid steer, use your hitch and your truck!

3. If you don't have either a skid or a truck with(hitch), just notch and drop..... Oh, don't forget to run!!

4. Whatever you do, don't use a tool as streamlined and as practical as a GRCS!!!

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Endless stupidity once again...

He asks for other options.. I gave hime a good one.. qualified it.. obviously not appropriate for many scenarios.. BUT certainly could be used much more effectively that the GRCS in many situations..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh0o8h61Xe8

shows a video of pulling a lot of large limbs across a creek with an overhead pulley and a redirect at the base of the tree, line tied to skid steer.. That might have been 10 pulls 400-600 lbs each, coming 75' across the creek and through the yard. It was a quick and easy pull with the skid steer.. would have been rediculous to even consider the GRCS for that task..

The fact that you can't even concieve of a scenario where the GRCS is an inferiror tool to the skid steer, shows your lack of experience and creativity. Once again another stupid kid with a big mouth .. This site is full of them..

And I bring them right out..

And BTW treestyler.. that's an awesome design there.. now there is some creativity
 
The original poster in this thread was looking for something cheaper than a GRCS. A skidsteer costs a lot more and so does a truck. There is probably a Zen center somewhere near you, I suggest you go. They'll help you understand why your ego causes you to act out the way you do. I know your tempted, but , don't overreact, take a deep breath, walk for a while, and think about it.
Love you Daniel,
Ted
 
It's time for everyone to step away from the keyboard and take a few deep breaths. Then, turn off the computer and go swimming or something. It gets tiresome to see all of the arguing. Disagreeing politely is one thing...mud slinging makes too big a mess.
 
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And BTW treestyler.. that's an awesome design there.. now there is some creativity

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The design is not mine it's from Steven Ibelings.
He has figured it out and made the technical drawings. He has made about 10 off them and they are allready for sale.
The price i'm not sure about but it's something around 2400 euros.

it's worth it's price in gold in my opinion and it's better then the GRCS because there's no need to switch between things. You can easily winch and use the bolder at the same time.

I'm hoping to post some pictures next week.

climb safe & respect eachother
 
Edit:

I missed Daniel suggesting a redirect block.

I'll leave the post for the context of the thread to make sense further down.



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if you don't have a skid steer..

you can put a big shackle on the porty,


and drop that onto the pindle hitch on your truck, and get the same effect. there are trade offs of course.. not practical in every situation, but works well when appropriate.

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Shackle? Haven't we been through this. They make arborist blocks for a reason.

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Sean,

I think he is using the shackle to attach the porty to the pindle hitch, not to pull through it.

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Oh. By drop "that" on the pindle, I assumed that to be the rope, not the porty and seemingly unnecessary shackle.

If I were attaching the POW to the truck, I would have put the porty on the pintle hook of the truck. I don't need to add an extra link to my system, even it if isn't the weak link. It just seems pointless, unless maybe you are using a mini-porty, or a supersized pintle hook. Both of my pintles would readily accomodate a medium or large POW.

People typically have the porty attached to the base of the tree. If they need additional lift, they usually use something attached to the top of the POW, from what I've heard.

I also would have tried to be clear that I was redirecting through a block at the base of the tree, or subjecting the tree to sideloading if the porty goes directly to the block at the top of the tree, then pulling with some unmeasurable force.

I guess that in such suggestions, the details are important.

Rather than omit such details, possibly opening up a lot of ambiguity, I'd simply say it up front. I attempt to spell this type of thing out for those that aren't good at understanding what is supposed to be said, but isn't said.

I guess that it leave people to be "making up stories" since only part of the story is being told.



I didn't get the memo that using a shackle instead of a proper block was now the SOP for Daniel. I guess I was still going on his previous methods, since it wasn't stated that he changed his way.

Yes, Daniel, I did read that you picked up some more blocks, after getting hammered on for putting up instructional videos (now being called, just for fun) using shackles for rigging when pulling with machinery and unnecessarily entering the danger zone.
 
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It's time for everyone to step away from the keyboard and take a few deep breaths. Then, turn off the computer and go swimming or something. It gets tiresome to see all of the arguing. Disagreeing politely is one thing...mud slinging makes too big a mess.

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It's time for everyone to step away from the keyboard and take a few deep breaths. Then, turn off the computer and go swimming or something. It gets tiresome to see all of the arguing. Disagreeing politely is one thing...mud slinging makes too big a mess.

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Sorry Tom.
 
The 4:1 has been doing a good job for me. The Stein Dual would be nice and the Dutch thing looks awesome. Lifting is something I try to avoid, prefering to let gravity do the work. Unless my equipment wish list was shorter I'll just stick with the most affordable option. I'd add another Portawrap and 4:1 and keep the pieces smallish.
 
A great aspect of the equipment for a 4:1 can be used in many places, including the top of a tree with a POW. Its compact, and cheap. Lightweight, too. If you have to do some work away from the truck, it is great to have it as an easily portable and climb-with-able option.

4:1 or 3:1 system is useful for speedlines, and is anchorable on various things.
 
Grab yourself a couple of sets of Harken fiddle-blocks and petzl macrograbs. Attach the first set on top of your pow, then run the tail from it through a block on the base of the tree, then push the macrograb up as high as you can with a pole saw. Attach your second set of fiddle blocks to another tree and attach that macrograb to the first set of blocks. This way you have a 4:1 acting on a 4:1. It's not really a convenient as a GRCS and really a pain if you don't pull it all the way down and need to remove the fiddle blocks to lower a load, but it can work. I would recommend being careful doing this though as a friend broke the cleat on this fiddle blocks piggy-backing like this.
 
Yep. Not quite a GRCS, but adequate for some lifting. I wouldn't even worry about it really. I would just buy a GRCS. The thing's going to pay for itself in no time anyway.
 
You can leave slack tender pulley with a line on it above the hitch (not sure if it would work with a micr-grab). When you pull down HARD it will compress the hitch and pull it down within reach.

But yeah, GRCS is much cleaner... looks professional too.
 
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