Alternative to Scaffold Knot and Buntline Hitch

Re: Alternative to Scaffold Knot and Buntline Hitc

Just some quick points:

1) It's "B I G H T", not "bite". --something to chew on.
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2) "If I'm not mistaken, a scaffold knot is a clove hitch..."
There's something to this : "scaffold hitch" is a sort of *opened* clove hitch,
for use in securing a eye to a plank.
But, it's not "tied around the standing portion."

3) "The double overhand is the part that winds around the rope. " More
precisely, it's a strangle knot (or dbl.strangle with another wrap),
which is one half of the double fisherman's knot (aka) [/i]grapevine bend[/i]
--and not a "half" in the sense that seeing just it means it becomes just
the "fisherman's knot", as Tom noted.

4) If you have room on you hitched-to object for the 2nd turn of the
anchor bend (fisherman's bend), you could put in this turn for the use
of the strangle noose / scaffold knot which would reduce the force getting
to the knot, and hence leave the knot more easily untied.

5) Another streamlined attachment needing two turns around the object
is the (newly named) bull hitch --a cow hitch but with the collaring
turn now a full wrap of tail &amp; mainline (or <u>two</u>), which gives a sort
of friction gripping of them. Orient it such that the mainline pulls into
the 'biner at the spine/axis, and makes the hard/near turn into the collar's
wraps (which will leave the awaymost wrap less tensioned, easier to loosen).


*kN*
 
Re: Alternative to Scaffold Knot and Buntline Hitc

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an anchor bend is lovely, like it

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And you might try using this hitch vice the strangle in the noose
--i.e., use it "tied around the standing portion." It should be easier to
loosen than a strangle form of the double overhand (they are, yes,
both this --one can be re-dressed into the other); put in another wrap for
further lessening of the tension that will reach the *away* point of the
knot. This also brings the tail back to the standing part at more of a
right-angle disposition, making it more suitable for hitching to relatively
larger diameter objects (and less ..., for rings).


*kN*
 
Whiz,

That's a buntline you describe first!

Tony

A buntline and two half hitches are both a clove tied around the standing part. Only the buntline is safe for tie in to carabiner. The end needs to be closer to the biner.


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TheTreeSpyder

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i would say 'Clove Like' because of the angle of pull makes it functionally more like 2 Halfs.
Also, in so much ; does give nip on the first pull by the major pulling over the minor force;
where in Clove normal pulls more major under minor, making it a Crossing Turn of less 'nip' value,
.
Otherwise, i think of them as continuous/Clove like w/cross
2Halves are on 'outie' to Buntline 'innie'.
.
Continuous as Clove or Round Turn based/like, tighten from some walk;
more than counter-torque of Backhand Turn Base as Cow like,
as stopper/termination Cow like comes in outie/innie versions too of
Opposing Halfs finish and Lobster Buoy (fave).
Buoy doesn't tighten as securely as Bunt, but really close enough, and lots easier release
>>making it much more serviceable a deployment, especially in wet, slimy Lobster traps usage.
.
As far as Half Hitches, 1 is simply not enough in real working class knots IMO.
>>Ashley shows it more used as temp stay at deck level, but never remote/aloft.
If 1 Turn precedes single Half, Half might pull out.
If 2 or more Turns precede Half, it might fall out from lack of tension to keep.
So, in any case , prefer the double dead lock strategy;
as we see in any other material or mechanics! (hopefully)
2is1, 1isNone in positive safety etc.
Ashley warned of single Half , that is perhaps sometimes more secure slipped from extra poof upwards and slo falling into better nip positioning away from the Standing Part('SPart' -knudeNoggin); for SPart is where rope pulls from the host most for nipping, when the opposing side of host that would be 2/1 position of pulley gives most sever nip! Nip increased in Anchor Hitch from the conversion of the 90 degree rope arc used to nip in Half Hitch, that is converted to a 180 nipping arc in Anchor. Anchor also has extra Round on host, reducing propensity/force for tail/Bitter End to pull out also, as the formation 'doubles down' to secure in this fashion.
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Scaffold hard to beat, except if can't bring off a free end of host to total release.
Scaffold doesn't bend the most loaded SPart directly going into host;
>>so at that point only has the inevitable host deformity.
Then takes over 3x180 uninterrupted arcs on the SPart
>>this pulls along the SPart like a Bull Nose conversion of Cow, or like legendary Cat's Paw; more like a splice pulling ALONG the SPart as a support column more properly
>>more so than a single Turn like a Half Hitch(es) simple Turn/hook SHEARING across the support column of SPart harshest, instead of pulling along it.
 

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