ALB in Ohio

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The Asian Longhorned Beetle has been found in Bethel near Cincinnati Ohio. Is anyone who posts here involved with the survey of the infested and surrounding areas? How are the surveys being conducted from the ground and in the trees? What type of training has been provided? Who did the training? Were you recruited, or did you volunteer to do the surveys?

Info about the discovery of the infestation can be found at the provided link.

http://www.beetlebusters.info/

Joe
 
I have been emailed to help survey by Chris Andrews of Ohio ISA. I need a little break but will get involved on Tue. It is about 40 miles from me. Much easier to detect than eab having "dime sized exit holes". You find evidence, you email the form back to ISA.

Just so difficult to control these "inside" infestations. You don't treat, they die, they go to the firewood pile, they get moved, they spread.

How is that scenario ever altered? All you can do is treat the trees you value and can afford to treat and that does nothing to stem the increase in population of non treated trees.
 
Found what may be ALB on a giant oak we had to remove from recent storm damage on the local private country club and sent picts. to appropriate authorities today.
 

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alb doesn't mess with the oaks, dave. maples, birch, willow, poplar, jap katsura, linden i think, and a bunch of other host trees. luckily it doesn't have a taste for the truly hard woods even though it loves it some sugar maple.


in my opinion the only true way to beat that f'er is wholesale removal of all infected and even host trees in the area. you can always replant.
 
You are both correct Justin and Banjo. Both Joe Boggs and Dan Herms ID'd it likely to be Clearwing borer. I was not aware 'til now oak was not a host.

Thanks for info.
 
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in my opinion the only true way to beat that f'er is wholesale removal of all infected and even host trees in the area. you can always replant.

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This approach failed with EAB in MI, citrus canker in FL, etc etc. It is definitely a way to lose huge financial and arboreal resources, and be beaten by a bug.

Weren't treatments part of a successful solution with ALB in chicagoland? not a lot of ash here in NC and I am no entomologist, but i do know that treatments work, and that some trees are worth saving.
 
Clear cutting did not work. But what is going on here is basal injections of the soil with imidacloprid on ash on all street trees for eab. Now even ntl. lawn companies are PUSHING res. treatments and NOW......with ALB there has to be concerns with environmental safety of annual soil injections of all this mass dispension of this chem into the ROW and home properties. ALB is the same treatment but many more species involved. And when do the treatments stop? Never.
 
oh. so you are for pumping all kinds of chemicals (that have not even been proven to work) into the ground which will leak into the ground water for everyone else to drink?

nice.

trees have been growing for quite some time now..... pretty sure they'll be growing just the same if you planted a few now after culling the sick and dying.
 
I attended a seminar presented by a forester from Chicago who stated they beat the ALB by removing alot of trees. He said they were a lazy bug and easy to contain.

Perhaps the people from that area of the country can give a better perspective on that situation at that time as they encountered it.

It pays to attend the chapter conferences.

Joe
 
they only leave an infected tree if the tree becomes over inhabited. as in too many on 1 tree. then they move to another tree. not only lazy but i think their flight is short as well and not too fast were as the eab is a fast mover and likes to travel.....

if any one is on facebook you can friend the bug herself. she is constantly giving updates to what is going on in the world of ALB and what people are up to in the battle against.

friend anaplophora glabripennis and see what she up to.....

best way to beat that bug is wholesale removal but too many idiots think they can save a "worthy" tree while risking the rest of them. remove, replant, and save money from spendy treatments that will pollute the water supply. unproven chemicals that is. (there are no proven chemicals btw)
 
In Mass that is what was done(removal)
Im not too far froom there and I hope it was successful.If it contained the spread then it is worth it. It will save a lot more in the future. I think alot of learning has been done with the eab and alb responses. There is much more effort put on detection and education than in the past.

New york was on patrol and inspecting people 4th weekend for transportation of firewood. There are phermone traps around me all the way up to adirondacks and out west. If nothing else they will help to educate the public.
 
Good post OD,
Its hard for a lot of people to let go of something they love, even when it is the only available solution.. With ALB, the risk is too great to mess around with those kinds of human emotions.. Put your foot down and don't ask.. "the tree has to go!... PERIOD!!!!
 
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oh. so you are for pumping all kinds of chemicals (that have not even been proven to work) into the ground which will leak into the ground water for everyone else to drink?

nice.

trees have been growing for quite some time now..... pretty sure they'll be growing just the same if you planted a few now after culling the sick and dying.

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Pay attention....

never said I was in favor of treatments...just the opposite. I disagree with mass treatments esp. ROW treatments. There is no end to them. With HO trees you can treat til another replacement tree gets some size. ROW trees have no room for planting replacements.

As for eab and likely alb when it gets here, I will just treat a few important trees rather than let someone else treat on an established client's property. Common sense here.
 
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Good post OD,
Its hard for a lot of people to let go of something they love, even when it is the only available solution.. With ALB, the risk is too great to mess around with those kinds of human emotions.. Put your foot down and don't ask.. "the tree has to go!... PERIOD!!!!

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It is the tree "going" that moves the insect! Neither fly that far and it is humans that move the tree.

They banned moving firewood in infested counties to non infested counties everywhere with eab. That just increased the infestation within that county that is unable to move out wood with eab in it.

Then the populations explodes there and into surrounding (contiguous) counties and they all become infestated....and so on...

and so on ....and so on ...and so on.

Turned out in S. Mich and N. Ohio where it all started that they had mountains of wood in dumps. Impossible to stop everyone from burning firewood or be responsible to identify infested wood before moving it. Moreso...;.

No money to staff enforcement.

How is ALB gonna be any different?

Cutting down the trees is exactly what CAUSES the spread.
 
France built the Maginot Line after WWI as a defensive line. The series of forts is impressive and would likely have held off an assault. German strategists studied their options...and went around the line. Cut off now the ML was then captured.

ALB and EAB might have studied German strategy...but probably not.They just go around any defenses that we might try to put in their way.
 
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oh. so you are for pumping all kinds of chemicals (that have not even been proven to work) into the ground which will leak into the ground water for everyone else to drink?

nice.

trees have been growing for quite some time now..... pretty sure they'll be growing just the same if you planted a few now after culling the sick and dying.

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Pay attention....

never said I was in favor of treatments...just the opposite. I disagree with mass treatments esp. ROW treatments. There is no end to them. With HO trees you can treat til another replacement tree gets some size. ROW trees have no room for planting replacements.

As for eab and likely alb when it gets here, I will just treat a few important trees rather than let someone else treat on an established client's property. Common sense here.

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i was talking to gee with the above statement, not you dave.
 
don't know much about the eab but when it comes to the alb there will be no wood piles sitting around because everything will be turned into a mulch pile. chip everything. eeeeevvvverrrrything.

it can be beat it just takes a serious effort not some half assed game of azz patting with neighborhoods, counties, or states, people or politicos.
 
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