‘Keeper’ lanyard adjuster

Just out of curiosity.. can you make stuff like this with a 3D printer these days? Are the injected polymers strong enough?
The one he is using and shows on his website was 3D printed. For sure you can make one that way, most anything that can be molded from plastic can be printed and today’s printers can use a really wide variety of plastics.
 
It’s all kinda beyond me, and I’m probably a product of my trainer.
I let the tail hang right off me straight down, and it’s never been a problem worth examining, whether it’s 12’ or 30’ I don’t daisy chain it, and loops of anything hanging off me are gonna snag on everything and make me cuss. Rarely I’ll have to police it up behind me if I’m passing through a tight union to keep the stopper knot from jamming, it takes 2 seconds. I let my saw hang down by my feet from a lanyard too, I only clip that closer if I’m going for a swing.
How is it much different than 100’ of climbing line coming off you? Don’t trip over it on the ground and there’s zero problem.

That’s just me though :)
Takes all kinds and lanyards are personal decisions.
 
I can garauntee you it would cost you more than 100 in time and materials to make one yourself. Therefore its a bargain if you want one.

Like most of the best climbing innovations this lanyard tool is coming from the mind of a climber attempting to overcome something in their own climbing experience that bothers them. It's not coming from some mega gear company etc. , and yeah, we're spoiled on cheap mass-produced gear. The good stuff costs money to make on a small scale. No one has to buy it.

I fly a 15' lanyard, I let the tail hang when in use and move it around when I have to to keep it out of the way. My harness belt space is currently booked for the unforseeable future, the Keeper would have to go on the "You'll have to wait until an opening occurs" list.

Looks to be very well designed, I'd like the frame of mine carved out of Honey Locust heartwood with super tight grain. I'll have to do that myself, that's a whole 'nother back ordered personal wait list.
-AJ
 
Geckotoes takes up very lil space.
Instead of pulling on the device/keeper you simply pull on loop(s) and/or add loops midline.
it will be interesting to see how the market responds.
I know from experience most arbos want the best tool at the cheapest.
From my experience many will like what this has to offer. it will be just a question of can they bring the price down and keep it fool proof.
If you drop it on a scale > lanyard tail management vs 100 bones :estudioso:
 
I have also experienced a bit of sticker shock when viewing this item. With that being said some of my favorite-special-occasion-sipping scotch is almost $100 a bottle so maybe $100 isn't real expensive for a small batch item. If someone buys one, please do a review and educate everyone on the positive and negative features of this new product.
I have every intention. I've got two more competitions to fund this year, but as soon as the extra hundred pops up, I'll be sending it to Richard Mumford. Then I'm getting on this wait list.

I have resorted to a very short lanyard (like 7') because I want it attached to me at both ends, I want it quickly deployed, and I want it to not snag. All of this is because quick movement in the tree with a truly minimal number of hangups is important to me.
Having the ability to run even a 15' lanyard would spoil me beyond measure if it only required one smooth motion to equalize all of the loops on my hip.
If I can't use it effectively at a competition, I can't use it every day at work. I have a feeling that this will do that.
There is no way that I am pausing several times in a climb to make equal length loops and carefully clip them into place.
 
Meh, looks like it’s suppose to do what it does very well. Call me oldschool but I hate loops or bites hanging from me. Snags and accidents waiting to happen. Rarely climb with more than a 12-15’ anyway
 
20' ft lanyard with 6 x 3 ' loops easily managed with the keeper.
It is a bit limiting but you can have longer yet with daisy chain of a several ft more on the tail. That is really nice tool.
Geckotoe is easier imho though I haven't tried the keeper just based on being midline attachable, and able to take 100 plus ft of rope 10.5 to 11mm. Alwas room to slide slings on or a rigging rope.
This is how it works for me. Tail an arm length, push loop on bottom toe, and repeat and repeat and repeat leaving working room for lanyard. And systematically loading toes in order as you would need to pay out when it would be needed to add lenght to lanyard. Bottom to top then top to bottom. It Is really very easy and neat.
I can see for comps this keeper is quick, simple and neat and be the best tool for the job:numberone:
 
Like most of the best climbing innovations this lanyard tool is coming from the mind of a climber attempting to overcome something in their own climbing experience that bothers them. It's not coming from some mega gear company etc. , and yeah, we're spoiled on cheap mass-produced gear. The good stuff costs money to make on a small scale. No one has to buy it.

I fly a 15' lanyard, I let the tail hang when in use and move it around when I have to to keep it out of the way. My harness belt space is currently booked for the unforseeable future, the Keeper would have to go on the "You'll have to wait until an opening occurs" list.

Looks to be very well designed, I'd like the frame of mine carved out of Honey Locust heartwood with super tight grain. I'll have to do that myself, that's a whole 'nother back ordered personal wait list.
-AJ



If you spoke to him nicely he could probably send his Digital drawing to a 5 axis cnc router and carve it just as you would like (you might have to sand it to keep cost down)...
 
I have also experienced a bit of sticker shock when viewing this item. With that being said some of my favorite-special-occasion-sipping scotch is almost $100 a bottle so maybe $100 isn't real expensive for a small batch item. If someone buys one, please do a review and educate everyone on the positive and negative features of this new product.

Safe to assume you'll be developing a harness attachable sipping scotch dispenser? Soon? For special occasion rec climbs only of course! Looking forward to this vital innovation. Let me know if you need testing done, anytime.
-AJ
 
Meh, looks like it’s suppose to do what it does very well. Call me oldschool but I hate loops or bites hanging from me. Snags and accidents waiting to happen. Rarely climb with more than a 12-15’ anyway

I'm 100% against hanging loops. Especially if climbers are in conifers a lot. For broadleaf prunes, more doable. It would be interesting to try one out and see how it goes. Looks easy on/easy off for the harness install, it's kind of like my Captain Hook, I probably use it 30% of work climbs but when I do, it's making life better. I can bring it with me or not, Keeper could be used that way as well. If I was a cash rich climber I'd probably have 3 harnesses all set up for certain kinds of tasks, one could have the Keeper on it for example. You know what the white pine takedown kit would look like: blackened pitch on everything, jar of peanut oil, 10 hitch cords, two lanyards, and a spray misting bottle with 90% rubbing alcohol, all attached to the harness, I can dream can't I?
-AJ
 
Man, agree with the loop comment for conifers - am reminded of the Monty Python skit with climbers doing a difficult move . . . on a sidewalk . . . watched by a little old lady . . . except I'm turned around . . . it always seems like you're hacking up your way thru some vertical pitch infested jungle.
I make use of a couple of pouches for everything - Captain, lanyards, kitchen sink . . . . I like Wesspur's lanyard pouch:
https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfh6HvcpQdo
The sewing is great quality and they are serving me well thru the years I've had them. Big enough for a 30' lanyard like CE Lanyard or Blaze if you stuff 'em. On the back of the MB, don't even notice they're there (sometimes have two back there).
I've also gone back to using lanyards with leather rope friction savers for the climbing, even to rig a take down - I find it keeps some of the sap at least, off the ropes and therefore off the hitches if I'm not going mechanical with RR's.
 
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Very interesting discussion. I can definitely see both sides.

I am a part of the tidy-loops-on-the-left crowd. Right now, I have a double-ended, double-adjustable with the captain on the rear half. This would not work with the keeper unless I was willing to let the rope stay in the keeper at all times and keep both the adjuster and the hook behind it...but then the keeper couldn't manage the part of my line that I'd need it to the most...the hook line.

Still, I find myself looking at it and thinking about how much time is taken up by re-looping the back half into my scuba clip, and it starts to make me want to re-engineer things.

Then my wallet screams and the wife comes in saying her "imminent excessive purchase sense" was tingling, and the cat's out of the bag.

Innovation: Gotta love it, gotta hate it. The price may be a little high, but I think the device has its place. I certainly can't make well-organized loops that fast, and lanyard management is one of those make-it-or-break-it parts of time management in the tree. If I want to prune fast, I have to stay organized.
 
I mounted a Gecko Toes (the version for electrical cords, via eBay - $7.) on the right side of my saddle today and tried it with my 24 ft lanyard for a couple hours. It works very well. I can make a number of small loops quickly by just snapping them in place, and they pull back out instantly if I need more scope. With 24 feet, I am using less than half the capacity of the 6 inch long Gecko, so it would hold a lot more lanyard. The price is unbeatable and it only took me 15 minutes or so to sort how to mount it to the saddle. I will try to get someone to take a photo soon of me in the saddle. I tried a selfie stick and never got a decent shot framed.
 
I mounted a Gecko Toes (the version for electrical cords, via eBay - $7.) on the right side of my saddle today and tried it with my 24 ft lanyard for a couple hours. It works very well. I can make a number of small loops quickly by just snapping them in place, and they pull back out instantly if I need more scope. With 24 feet, I am using less than half the capacity of the 6 inch long Gecko, so it would hold a lot more lanyard. The price is unbeatable and it only took me 15 minutes or so to sort how to mount it to the saddle. I will try to get someone to take a photo soon of me in the saddle. I tried a selfie stick and never got a decent shot framed.

All you've done is make me feel like I suck 'cause I don't have cutting and welding gear like this guy, Gecko Toes are super cool.


-AJ
 
For the thrifty folks (everyone?) a customized Gecko Toes rack could solve lanyard tail troubles, especially for Hook lines and extra long lanyards. The Keeper looks to be the gold standard since you can just pull on the end of the lanyard and it's go time.

If I was going to design a Gecko Toes for a harness belt I'd make the legs or extensions shorter, doesn't need to hold so much per "arm" and the projection distance out from my belt would bother me squeezing through the tight spaces, I think.
-AJ
 
For the thrifty folks (everyone?) a customized Gecko Toes rack could solve lanyard tail troubles, especially for Hook lines and extra long lanyards. The Keeper looks to be the gold standard since you can just pull on the end of the lanyard and it's go time.

If I was going to design a Gecko Toes for a harness belt I'd make the legs or extensions shorter, doesn't need to hold so much per "arm" and the projection distance out from my belt would bother me squeezing through the tight spaces, I think.
-AJ
Then that sounds like a project for some locust heartwood. You could have as few toes as you need and make them just the right size for your preferred long lanyard.
 
. . . If I was going to design a Gecko Toes for a harness belt I'd make the legs or extensions shorter, doesn't need to hold so much per "arm" and the projection distance out from my belt would bother me squeezing through the tight spaces, I think. . .
It does stick out a bit, AJ, but not really much further than other stuff often hanging off our saddles, (like my water bottle, CariTool, etc). In fact the old way of double daisying my big lanyard was equally bulky and obstructive. The thing is, the toes are long enough to be flexible so they bend and allow one to insert or remove the coils but spring back to grip them. If we shorten the toes, they would not flex and release nearly as well. This abillity to grip the coils and keep them secure til needed is one of the secrets of the gadget. I suppose if a Gecko was made of a softer and more flexible material, the toes could be shortened to hold just one wrap? But as it is, each toe holds exactly two wraps of rope which is cool. Depending on the diameter of the coils, a Gecko can soak up a lot of rope; and I also found it works fairly well, if I organize the wraps a certain way, for the lanyard to still be used double ended. I screwed this Gecko permanently to the side of the saddle so a design challenge would be to make the entire rig quickly removable to suit individual climbs, like you mentioned about squeezing thru tight spots in certain types of trees, or for when you might want to quickly swap it and its lanyard to a different saddle or climber. (Those of you who are not addicted tinkerers are so fortunate. This kind of pondering keeps me awake half the night starring at the ceiling!)
 

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