Two Rope Climbing

At the opposite of safer redundancy was IIRC Johnny Pro on two separately anchored 8 or 9 mm ropes threaded through a single OG roperunner risking prying the sideplates apart - Twin Rope Technique (TRT). I think it also may have varied to two multiscenders with a ring junctioning the two ropes above the climber's head. Don't know if there's still any Johnny Pro content on the board.

It appears IRC: https://treegear.com.au/blogs/news/...7EoRac1TwSDiBHL7Fuk9u6wtdrcT29dTP7h-WFC8lUxuB
 
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Treetopflyer said:
That line management is the most important with one rope yea but two is double the fun
I do a lot of pre redirects when dsrt work off a drop down between unions leaving tail opposite side of a limb I’m going to move over pop the bone off pull tail slack now I’m other side of limb with that line if you keep the splice on the tail there is some good tricks to use it for retrievals on a large spread span across the tree , capture that line before you descended with a carbiner in a span and pull down to reverse off that when done in that area of the tree
Does that make any sense ? Haha
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Makes sense in concept. If you bust it out anytime soon a photo would be killer.

Paul’s video of his redirect and my practice the other day gave me a pretty significant revelation I can’t get over. Setting a second line from the ground and a standalone anchor would be rare in my area, but setting a second line higher than my first would at minimum get me better rope angle, at best be able to redirect one of the lines to make a nice wide two rope system.

Anyway, hoping someone could answer one of a few questions before I begin looking around facing the temptation to spend money lol.

Does a delta quick link fit nicely in a rook style swivel pulley?

the camp gyro looks too spread out and weird for me on a bridge. But does the independent nature of the two swivels being able to move around make for nice one handed descents and one handed tending grabbing both ropes often or is it a rarity? @Muggs or anyone else familiar.

I switched to a swivel pulley recently and the benefits in reduced wear on the rope bridge were quickly apparent. But I guess id give it up if one handed descent and slack tending were more frequent than not.

I’m considering just two swiveled bones and the smallest dmm O’s on the swivel pulley for compactness but it feels like they would be too far apart to ever allow for a nice quick one handed slack tend and descent.

The only thing better than the dopamine from hypothetical gear planning is the high from when it pays off :b
 
Lupin_IV said:
Makes sense in concept. If you bust it out anytime soon a photo would be killer.

Paul’s video of his redirect and my practice the other day gave me a pretty significant revelation I can’t get over. Setting a second line from the ground and a standalone anchor would be rare in my area, but setting a second line higher than my first would at minimum get me better rope angle, at best be able to redirect one of the lines to make a nice wide two rope system.

Anyway, hoping someone could answer one of a few questions before I begin looking around facing the temptation to spend money lol.

Does a delta quick link fit nicely in a rook style swivel pulley?

the camp gyro looks too spread out and weird for me on a bridge. But does the independent nature of the two swivels being able to move around make for nice one handed descents and one handed tending grabbing both ropes often or is it a rarity? @Muggs or anyone else familiar.

I switched to a swivel pulley recently and the benefits in reduced wear on the rope bridge were quickly apparent. But I guess id give it up if one handed descent and slack tending were more frequent than not.

I’m considering just two swiveled bones and the smallest dmm O’s on the swivel pulley for compactness but it feels like they would be too far apart to ever allow for a nice quick one handed slack tend and descent.

The only thing better than the dopamine from hypothetical gear planning is the high from when it pays off :b
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Can’t answer on the Quick Link question only because the size/profile can differ quite a bit based on the WLL ratings.

I also have been running a swivel pulley on my bridge and really like it, but I will say the spacing would be less than ideal for one handed op and also not a true center path swivel when only loding one belay.
 
Lupin_IV said:
the camp gyro looks too spread out and weird for me on a bridge. But does the independent nature of the two swivels being able to move around make for nice one handed descents and one handed tending grabbing both ropes often or is it a rarity?
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I am rarely able to control or tend both devices with one hand, because when I'm on 2 lines they are coming from 2 different directions. The picture I showed with 1 hand descending on 2 bones was low in a big beech, where I redirected both tails together to come down.

I love that triple swivel, it's amazing for 2 systems or 1 system and a long lanyard. I run 2 bridges. My short bridge just has a small ring, my longer bridge has the gyro.
 
Not quite sure where the thread of this conversation has been going, just wanna say that Im a full time convert to using multiple suspension points. The conversation of 1 v's 2 feels very clunky, it's more about having the ability to pre rig a rope in the right location whenever you need it to be there.
I was reluctant to lose 'flow' but have found that overall my physical relaxation has increased, with two plus lines. SRS is key, canopy anchors are best, short ropes etc. Something that i've noticed with my peers over here, is that they may well set multiple, 3, 4, 5 lines, and hop and skip between them as and when positioning or movement is called for.

I'm doing a presentation on 'limits of the pendulum' at Augsburg Tree Days conference in May. Will introduce a little anchoring tool that came out of problem solving retrieve issues. It's pretty slick.

 
oceans said:
I was right!!!

Great to see you posting here again, Paul. Let’s get in touch soon.
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Would love to Eric, my rigging brother.

It's funny, apart from a few refinements to my work scenarios, its basically the system you demoed back in 2015.
Those 2005-2012 days, Treebuzz was truly on fire, leading the way, so many good ideas being passed around. Solid ideas seem ephemeral with todays social media nonsense.
 
SoftBankHawks said:
Would love to Eric, my rigging brother.

It's funny, apart from a few refinements to my work scenarios, its basically the system you demoed back in 2015.
Those 2005-2012 days, Treebuzz was truly on fire, leading the way, so many good ideas being passed around. Solid ideas seem ephemeral with todays social media nonsense.
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I can houses say that fatherhood and entrepreneurship has kept me mostly oblivious to other goings on, but the days will come back around in which I can invite you and a crew to come and stay for a while.

The trees we cabled at the arboretum are holding strong, but could use a close aerial inspection, if you catch my drift! :) The beech forest on the other hand is still in steady decline. Maybe they need some “make safe” trail work? We could rig to our hearts’ content!
 
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