Death does, murder less often. Do you honestly consider this to be the thinking of a rational person?
Fu*%face Von Clownstick
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Death does, murder less often. Do you honestly consider this to be the thinking of a rational person?
Matias
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"The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. yet where does this anarchy exist? where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? and can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure."
-Thomas Jefferson
Really? That is what you chose to emphasize?
Matias
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Were you not asking whether or not it was irrational to be demanding the blood of a tyrant, even if it costs the blood of a few patriots?
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evo
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unfortunately I think some of the closest inner circle is indeed as batshit as he is. What is special about DJ is the brazen unapologetic in your face blowhard element. He’s actually probably pretty ineffectual alone, and has adapted his goals based on his potential alliances within his circle.
That and he’s a blatant lier, swearing up and down he is not going to inact project 2025… and just a few short days in…
I don't believe life is as sacred as I'm assuming you do. People forget, the world moves on.
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Yes, you do that a lot, assuming something that fits neatly into your narrative.
I do think life, any life, is a miracle to be marveled. That however does not translate into thinking that all that live are off limits to an early death.
Killing from the logic crippling emotion of hate is murder. You do not need hate to take out the garbage.
Much the way you view things as simply black and white and take a far too literal approach to my words.
Well than let me clarify.
Do I believe there are instances of murder that are justifiable? Yes
For example, I do not believe in keeping certain individuals locked up in prison, for no other reason than to satisfy our perceived moral superiority.
As for Trump, I do not hate him personally as I have never met the man and he has done me no direct harm.
However, I do recognize the threat he poses society at large and his justifications for those threats appear self-serving, harmful, and immoral.
I believe he will do far more harm than good and is remorseless. In my view that disqualifies him from any leniency.
Do I believe there are instances of murder that are justifiable? Yes
For example, I do not believe in keeping certain individuals locked up in prison, for no other reason than to satisfy our perceived moral superiority.
As for Trump, I do not hate him personally as I have never met the man and he has done me no direct harm.
However, I do recognize the threat he poses society at large and his justifications for those threats appear self-serving, harmful, and immoral.
I believe he will do far more harm than good and is remorseless. In my view that disqualifies him from any leniency.
No one on this thread, to my knowledge, has had any personal dealers with Trump. That doesn't seem to have any effect on the overwhelming hate that dominates this thread. It festers and dominates them.
You believe he will do more harm than good. What if you're wrong? Has the world been ticking along seamlessly and without gross self-serving actions by those in control prior to his taking office? If the world is to change in any significant way, can it be done without a paradigm change to things as they currently stand?
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We want the same old corruption! Not new corruption
You're making a lot of assumptions about people's emotions.
Yes
What if I'm right?
No
No
Matias
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Is is not possible that we are all actually on the same team, as working class people who don't have guarantees that no matter what happens we will all be just fine. Who among us has all they could ever need, even if they needed a $300,000 hospitalization. Even if you personally could handle that as a one time, one person event, what about everyone you care about? What about if the cost of living doubles? The rich aren't concerned about it, but what about you, and those you care about? They have us very effectively divided against eachother, when we could all have better lives if we could just set aside the nonsense and come together to deal with the real issues. Does anyone feel like there is anything controversial about the notion that if you work you should be able to have at least the basics in life covered?
No, I am not. It has been stated repeatedly and openly by many, many different posters.
evo
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that and in testicles and semen, the days of 'balls of brass' are long gone.. Now its simply 'Plastic Balls'
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Why do you think I have been offering countering points of view? Many others as well have tried to breach the divide with only strengthened arguments in return on why the divide must stay in place.
What common ground can you accept besides our working class?
Matias
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I don't know that any other is needed, but I am open to suggestions. What do you propose as a commonality under which we could come together? I feel like this is a fantastic microcosm we have here, and I really do want to find more common ground.
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