Fuck yeah dude!
DON'T EVEN TRY IT!
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Wait are you trying to say he made too much? Not possible in my opinion
So you tell the world ""Its gonna be coming right at me so I'm gonna have to boogie when it comes over" yet your tree lands 50-60 degrees off to your right. Completely planned?
So you leave a top hung up in a tree, and the top is limb locked with another tree off to the left.. Strangley you loose you tree 50-60 degrees to the left...Completely planned?
SO you pull over a back leaner which has a huge opening out in front (undercut sighted right into this opening), yet we all witnesss this tree go 60+ degrees to the right and get hung up in 2 trees off to the right. Completely planned.
We could all see the still photo of your stump and tree, where your tree was 70+ degrees off to the right of your undercut.. Completely planned.
I would love to hear you explain how you "plan" to loose a tree over sideways by 70 degrees versus say 25 degrees? I reckon its all in the "pre-planned hinge failure". Enlightened us Wise One.
The sawmanship you display in your vids and pics is cringe worthy, and the amounts of bullshit you are willing to sling in an attempt to cover up your hackery is truly mind blowing...
Keep telling us you meant to loose that tree over sideways by 70 degrees Daniel....Pure fucking nonsense!
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southsoundtree
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Olympia, WA
Not everyone can Bob-Vila it a full 90 off the lay.
Rico how do you feel about a $13500 removal. Making 9k for doing nothing but brokering the job.
I assume this is your work chiselbit. If so I have checked out your vids before... Beautiful work and worthy of 3,000,000 views....
I was super stoked when one of my vids finally got 1000 views...What a fucking low level loser I am..
We really need to start going by 1st names around here in the future so I know who the heck I'm talking to.... Erik..
Yeah, chiselbit and i are from the same area. Legit, much respect. This may be shocking but my name is Scott.
Right. How exactly does one "pre-plan" to completely loose a tree over sideways, and what are the intricate details involved in "pre-planning" for missing 90 degrees off lay versus missing only 30 degrees off lay? I for one will never feel like a decent tree-man until I process this "next level" skilll set...Help a brother out Daniel...
My perspective is all fucked up Scott because a $13,000-$14,000 removal to me means a big nasty 240 ft back-leaning Fir over a very expensive mansion, with a bunch of Ferrari's parked underneath it, and a newborn baby left right next to the stump with a GoPro attached to his stroller so he can get a good view of the goings-on....
Just to give you an idea of how I operate, me and my groundie did a 150-160 ft, love em' and run dead Fir last week for $1500. We were in and out in 2 hours and I felt like we were payed very well for our hard work and expertise, and the HO's had gotten their moneys worth.. A win win for everyone... When we were loading up the HO thanks us and told us that the nearest bid was $6000 . Granted I am a small time operator with very little overhead, but $6000 for that tree was straight up robbery and greed in my view.. Fuck greed...I'm just a dumbass old climber and logger with a 8th grade education and making $750 an hour for doing what I love to do is quite allright with me.. Don't tell anyone but I would of done it for half that. I guess I am just an old-school fool who takes great pride in knowing that I am truly earning my money, and that my clients are truly getting their moneys worth...
Daniel
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Well Erik,
Now we are getting somewhere.. I detect a pattern here. I lay a tree down that HITS NOTHING BUT GRASS OR FIELD, and you use call it back yard hackery.
You gotta admit one thing.... this place can get a little boring without us trading jabs
Now we are getting somewhere.. I detect a pattern here. I lay a tree down that HITS NOTHING BUT GRASS OR FIELD, and you use call it back yard hackery.
You gotta admit one thing.... this place can get a little boring without us trading jabs
You are truly delusional Daniel. Did we not see a back leaning tree go sideways, completely missing the huge opening in the canopy out front, and get hung up in 2 nearby trees? Did we not all see the photo of your stump and log, in which there was a 75+ degreee difference in your undercut and the lay of your tree? Did we not all hear you say your tree was coming right at you, then watch it hit 60+ degrees to the right of where you were standing? Did we not all see that hung up limbed locked top yank your tree to the left? Are my eyes deceiving me, or am I just loosing my shit Daniel?
I am stilll waiting for you to explain to us how you use "pre-plannned hinge failure" to make a tree go damn near 90 degrees from it undercuts lay. While your at it could you please explain to us what in the world you do to control this "pre-planned hinge failure" to miss your undercuts lay by varying degrees? Pure devil worshipping dark art sorcery, and I am willing to sell my sole to possess such powers...
I am stilll waiting for you to explain to us how you use "pre-plannned hinge failure" to make a tree go damn near 90 degrees from it undercuts lay. While your at it could you please explain to us what in the world you do to control this "pre-planned hinge failure" to miss your undercuts lay by varying degrees? Pure devil worshipping dark art sorcery, and I am willing to sell my sole to possess such powers...
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Daniel
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Narrating a complex tree job on the spot is never going to come out perfectly. Anyone that's ever tried it knows. I'm guessing that's none of the haters here.
This video from 2010 shows getting a back leaning locust OVER THE WIRES straightened out and then nipping the corner of the hinge to get it to fall 90 degrees to the pull. The drop zone was that entire overgrown area in background. However, if the tree had gone completely against the lean and towards the pull, it would have hung up in the trees we were using for ground anchors. So the object was to stand the tree up and then get it to fall to the side. The only way to stand a tree up that's this heavy and lodged in another tree is to pull it directly against the lean. that's what I did with the first of those two maples as well. Machine op on the maple was told to stand the tree up and just til it was free of the other tree, then if it didn't fall to the side on its own (which it looked like it might due to side weight) I was going to come back and nip the far corner of the hinge to get it to fall into the open lawn.
In the case of the locust video below that was also in the plan as a contingency if the locust didn't fall to the side on its own. Locust is very strong hinging wood, so it hung on. One little nip of the corner of the hinge and it fell harmlessly into all that underbrush. While that was a wide-open drop zone leaving a lot of room for error it was important that the tree didn't go over completely against the lean (which was the direction of pull). For those that want to learn something, this is a viable strategy. An uprooted tree hung up and leaning towards 12 o'clock is notched and pulled towards 6 o'clock. When the tree is straight cut the corner of the hinge off at 3 o'clock and the tree falls to 9 o'clock. Another way to look at this is to use the pull line to straighten the tree and then convert it ot a right angle retainer line for the drop. To me, that's just common sense. To others that can't conceive that such a thing can be done reliably @Tony they must attack it because it's so far beyond their capabilities, understanding and imagination.
The hardest thing there was pulling such a heavy back leaner against the lean. That was 2010 and something which I have never seen repeated on video until I dd it again last year.
crane videos and jacking a tree videos.. while they can be cool, how many are out there? how many slow smooth crane pics can one man watch before he's seen enough?
Please post any other video of pulling a back leaner this big, or in the case of the two maples, anything back leaning 60 degrees. I t hasn't been published.
And then there's my favorite criticism... "why didn't you just use a crane?"
This video from 2010 shows getting a back leaning locust OVER THE WIRES straightened out and then nipping the corner of the hinge to get it to fall 90 degrees to the pull. The drop zone was that entire overgrown area in background. However, if the tree had gone completely against the lean and towards the pull, it would have hung up in the trees we were using for ground anchors. So the object was to stand the tree up and then get it to fall to the side. The only way to stand a tree up that's this heavy and lodged in another tree is to pull it directly against the lean. that's what I did with the first of those two maples as well. Machine op on the maple was told to stand the tree up and just til it was free of the other tree, then if it didn't fall to the side on its own (which it looked like it might due to side weight) I was going to come back and nip the far corner of the hinge to get it to fall into the open lawn.
In the case of the locust video below that was also in the plan as a contingency if the locust didn't fall to the side on its own. Locust is very strong hinging wood, so it hung on. One little nip of the corner of the hinge and it fell harmlessly into all that underbrush. While that was a wide-open drop zone leaving a lot of room for error it was important that the tree didn't go over completely against the lean (which was the direction of pull). For those that want to learn something, this is a viable strategy. An uprooted tree hung up and leaning towards 12 o'clock is notched and pulled towards 6 o'clock. When the tree is straight cut the corner of the hinge off at 3 o'clock and the tree falls to 9 o'clock. Another way to look at this is to use the pull line to straighten the tree and then convert it ot a right angle retainer line for the drop. To me, that's just common sense. To others that can't conceive that such a thing can be done reliably @Tony they must attack it because it's so far beyond their capabilities, understanding and imagination.
The hardest thing there was pulling such a heavy back leaner against the lean. That was 2010 and something which I have never seen repeated on video until I dd it again last year.
crane videos and jacking a tree videos.. while they can be cool, how many are out there? how many slow smooth crane pics can one man watch before he's seen enough?
Please post any other video of pulling a back leaner this big, or in the case of the two maples, anything back leaning 60 degrees. I t hasn't been published.
And then there's my favorite criticism... "why didn't you just use a crane?"
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chiselbit
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Huh. Only 3 mil? When I’m on my channel it says 5 mil. That’s the only reason I posted it, in response to Daniels claim that we couldn’t muster 10% of his 1.5 million views. Thanks for the compliments. Dan
Daniel
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I just ground 1400 in stumps since my last post.
all for the landscaper in the picture.
that should have been a 500 stump. but his ask was 400. they were all what he offered.
if a man can make 9000 brokering a tree deal more power to him.
I used to compete with a drug dealer that washed money by paying his guys in mostly cash. I never complained. it made me a better tree man. had to find a way to compete.
Erik... you left 4500 on the table. See how well your anger and judgmental finger pointing works when you're too old and broken to swing a saw.
all for the landscaper in the picture.
that should have been a 500 stump. but his ask was 400. they were all what he offered.
if a man can make 9000 brokering a tree deal more power to him.
I used to compete with a drug dealer that washed money by paying his guys in mostly cash. I never complained. it made me a better tree man. had to find a way to compete.
Erik... you left 4500 on the table. See how well your anger and judgmental finger pointing works when you're too old and broken to swing a saw.
Daniel
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chiselbit
Been here a while
Cool! I never win anything. Hope it’s an all expense paid trip to @swingdude island.
More hackery, laziness, and gawd awful cutting. 2 more trees shanked to the left. More nearby trees busted up. Some good old fashioned stump pull (1st tree), which progressively pulled the tree to the left the further it fell. Plus some unsuspecting fool spending way too much time hanging out in the bight of some heavily loaded up rigging (good way to get seriously hurt or killed). Did I miss anything? Cue up the nonsense.
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No, what I did was put in 2 hours of honest skilled work, and in return I was payed fairly for my efforts. What I didn't do was gouge some nice hardworking folks out of their hard earned money by charging them way tooo much for my services. As I said earlier, fuck greed and fuck getting over on people. This is how I have been operating for over 40 yrs and its worked out just fine for me Daniel. At 56 yrs old I am what is known as finacially secure, meaning the wife and I have accumulated enough wealth and savings to get through the rest of our lives without the need to continue earning. I believe that is because both us us have treated people fairy and in return the universe has treated us fairly.. Funny how that works, huh.. Just this morning I was headed out the door to go fall a pretty nice Redwood snag when I got a call about a windfall Redwood down is a swampy area.. A neighbor had a Redwood come down rootball and all, and tear out their waterline... I donated a few hours to the community and got the tree freed up from the stump, the stump stood back up, and the logs skidded. In return I got 2000 board foot of logs to mill up and a heartfelt thanks. A good morning in my book. The Redwood snag can wait till tomorrow.
Daniel
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glad to hear it. you're in the zone. We're all children of God. Good to take care of others.
ps. what's 2000 bf of redwood worth
ps. what's 2000 bf of redwood worth
flushcut
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No. Insurance Co. got taken. One of the leads closest to the house is resting on it. Storm damage. Luckily it didn't have enough time to fall as it only mangled the soffet. Had it had 10 more feet of room I have no doubt it would have cleaved the house.
Damage Potential was very high as we had to work next to a late 1800's septic system that was still working and exact location was a guess.
Damage Potential was very high as we had to work next to a late 1800's septic system that was still working and exact location was a guess.
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